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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Violence begets violence.

Let me guess, bad things never happen to good people in your world either, right?

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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Teens burglarizing a home decide to pistol whip a WWII vet:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/police%3A+teens+p istol+whipped+wwii+vet

Man beaten to death by a group of teens in front of his own home for having the audacity to tell them to slow down:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/police%3A+man+bea ten+to+death+by+teens

Man killed at bus stop:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/117ledbetterfatal shooting

Homeowner who's had enough:
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/homeowner+shoots+ suspected+burglars

I think that people who do feel threatened and feel that they need to be armed, generally attract violence more than they repel it.

I find it strange that you seem to equate people who desire to be armed as "feeling threatened" instead of taking reasonable precautions to protect themselves & their loved ones.

As for "attracting violence" I did that in my youth. I survived it & learned along the way. I no longer "attract" violence, nor seek it out, but I don't necessarily run away either. All depends on the situation. Sometimes being a good citizen means you have to step in to defend others who are unable to defend themselves.
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M2me
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 01:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let me guess, bad things never happen to good people in your world either, right?


quote:

I simply can't build my hopes on a foundation of confusion, misery and death... I think... peace and tranquility will return again.

Anne Frank


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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 01:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let me know if quoting Anne Frank ever works on stopping an attacker.

Until then, I'll continue with doing what I know gives me the best opportunity for coming home alive each night to my family & ensuring their safety.
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Delta_one
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 02:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I took mine aside and went through some of this with her, as well as some jujitsu and judo.
I don't know if somebody already put this up but this is the stat that makes guns second to hand to hand skill in my mind


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Most police officers are trained that a person with a knife who is closer than 7 yards can stab or cut them before they can stop them with a gun.

I run a version of the Tueller Drill with every single CCW student I get.

Most of them, even with the gun already in hand, cannot hit a target twice before the "assailant" can cover 10 yards.

Cutting that distance down to around 7 yards takes lots of practice and training.

So, heck yeah "primitive" weapons are deadly weapons.

All the attacker has to do is get within 7 yards before rushing you and you can easily wind up toast.


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Nevrenuf
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

P, saw that hupp testimony some time ago and that is one of the things that go through my mind when i consider this. you just never know what life is going to throw at you. and i don't want to ever have to say i wish i would have done this or that. especially not now adays.
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Nukeblue
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

they rifled the tip of the judge (bout a half inch)barrel so they could call it a pistol & not a shotgun from what i hear. checked out the local shop, they can't keep em on the shelf
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Brumbear
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My wife doesn't need protection I also noticed everytime she leaves the house the birds come back the squirrels frolic and the black bear will venture to and fro. And this strange peaceful music seems to drift lightly across the breeze aahhhh.
I'm sorry what was this thread about
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Drkside79
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My mom shoots a CZ 75B which is one of my favorite 9mm

Dimensions
Weight 2.2 lbs
Overall Length 8.1 in
Barrel Length 4.7 in
Height 5.4 in
Width 1.4 in
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>Violence begets violence.

Bullshit

I was sitting in front of a house at 1610 Plass in a nice neighborhood of Topeka, KS at 11:00pm on a Sunday night after returning from a church group function.

I did nothing.

Terry Cushinberry and Gary Ferrell drove by in a 1966 Chevrolet and opened up on my sister, myself and 5 friends and unloaded a Remington automatic shotgun full of #4 and #5 shot from about 20 yards away.

My sister, hit in the face with the center of the pattern, and Tim McGuire were both in commas for several days.

Take your "violence begets violence" thinking and stuff it up your ass.

I was a victim one time it my life.

It will never happen again and I'm certain, due to my time in the United States Marine Corps and with the United States Secret Service, that I am the product of overreaction.

I am a firm believer that when a person produces a handgun that the first two rounds should already be away by the time the offender even sees the weapon.

I spent a lot of time and effort becoming a firearms expert and I hope I never have to use it.

But I'll never be a victim again either.
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M2me
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was sitting in front of a house at 1610 Plass in a nice neighborhood of Topeka, KS at 11:00pm on a Sunday night after returning from a church group function.

I had no idea you had been through something like that. Of course that experience is going to affect you deeply.

You write that you won't be a victim again but my reality is that I have never been a victim in the first place. The worst thing that has ever happened to me was about 20 years ago somebody stole the spare tire from my truck. That's it. I have never been shot at, never assaulted, never even been burglarized. Maybe I don't have anything worth stealing, I don't know. I know that it's probably 95% dumb luck. I just don't feel that I need a gun for protection.
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M2me
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let me know if quoting Anne Frank ever works on stopping an attacker.

The vast majority of people in the world are good and are no threat to me. There are some nut cases out there, but they are few and far between. I can't possibly protect myself against nut cases. Maybe I'll be gunned down by a nut case tomorrow. If it happens, it happens, but I refuse to waste time worrying, preparing or readying myself for that slim possibility. Life is too short for that.

I do not feel threatened enough going through day to day life that I feel I need a gun to protect myself. I just don't.
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Nik
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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Nik
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 02:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This being a motorcycle board after all... M2me, do you dress for the crash, or the ride?
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Alchemy
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 04:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guns, and in particular the colt revolver served the historical purpose of equalizing power. Guns can't prevent all bad things from happening but they can equalize the fight when it comes to that.

There were a group of defenseless Amish school girls lined up and murdered a few years ago. Some of the children survived particularly the boys. The Amish culture has to deal with this. They don't see violence as a very helpful path forward but I don't speak for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

Some cultures might create a memorial or some might want to do what they could to move past it. Not easy tasks after such a horrific event on the defenseless. Different cultures take different approaches.
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 06:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

we've had more than our share of shootings in and around the tampa bay area lately. you just never know when something is going to happen and i would rather be prepared.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

The vast majority of people in the world are good and are no threat to me. There are some nut cases out there, but they are few and far between. I can't possibly protect myself against nut cases. Maybe I'll be gunned down by a nut case tomorrow. If it happens, it happens, but I refuse to waste time worrying, preparing or readying myself for that slim possibility. Life is too short for that.

I do not feel threatened enough going through day to day life that I feel I need a gun to protect myself. I just don't.




Truly then...why waste so much time explaining your pacifist view on a gun thread? It contributes nothing to the OP.
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 03:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nik


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Bevmiller
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ARLO
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Delta_one
Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ARLO??
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Bevmiller
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 06:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry, photo did not upload,Mad Max movies on, didn't have time to figure it out. There are alot of scarry stories out there. I feel very fortunate I live where I do. But not far away in Reading and Allentown, PA every morning there are news stories about gun violence. I don't blame people for wanting to protect themselves!!!
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

well it seems that things aren't getting any better around this area. they seem to be getting worse. and i don't want to be much less my wife. i've been broken into along with truck stolen. luckily, no family member around when that happened. but might not be so lucky next time.
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Skinstains
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got my girl some of that boxers headgear. It seems to take some of the sting out of the hits but she still gets dizzy and falls down a lot.
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Dbird29
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)





Because my wife likes Country & Western (pistol & revolver)

(Message edited by dbird29 on November 14, 2009)
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Hangontight
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got my wife a 125lb bullmastiff named Dozer. He protects our house adequately.
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Bevmiller
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ARLO IS A CAT!!!
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Nyeguy
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2 German Shepherds and a Great Dane are on guard at ALL times! Nothing steps into my yard let alone in the house! Once, someone tried to break into my garage and the dogs woke me up so i let em loose. They ripped off the guys back pocket as he jumped over my fence! I now have a sign that reads, "I make it to the fence in 2.5 seconds, can you?"
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've settled for a unique combination . . . two heads of the "five families" on the block and a sign on the basement window that reads simply . . . "THINK TWICE . . . do you have anything you MUST do tomorrow?"

Photo from about an hour ago . .

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Brumbear
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nice sticker on the pickemup
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The wife wants me to get a sign for the house that says "Owner is paranoid and armed."
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