| Author | Message | ||
     Dynasport |
Fast, I'm not going to get into a long debate with you about this. Everyone can go back and read your post for themselves. But you did say that "he could resign his commission and refuse to go on whatever grounds he thinks are right." That is a somewhat misleading statement that is not really accurate. But hey, you are in good company. Last night as I was flipping through the channels I accidentally paused on a show I think was called the Joy Behar Show. In the few seconds I was there I heard a woman bashing Christianity by saying, and this is not a quote, but close, that the Bible says that if you masturbate you will get hair on your palms. The Bible says no such thing. Too many people talk with authority on topics they really don't know much about. | ||
| Fast1075 |
I finally understand...my choice of word was completely wrong...resign would seem to imply that he had the right to do so, whether or not he actually had that option. I should have said abdicate or abandon...and face whatever penalties that action would be subject to. Or to put it another way..he had more choices than the ones he decided to use. None of which involved the taking of other's lives. Personally, I think that given the outcome of what he chose to actually do...he should have taken his service pistol into the shower and removed HIMSELF from the big picture instead of others. (Message edited by fast1075 on November 06, 2009) | ||
| Reindog |
What form of execution is codified in the UCMJ? Hanging? Firing squad? Major Hasan will be accused and tried for one of the worst crimes that a soldier can commit and deserves the fullest punishment if found guilty. | ||
| Reindog |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by _the_United_States_military The last military execution occurred in 1961. Murder is a crime punishable by death under the UCMJ. "Until 1961, the last military execution to date, hanging was the sole and official method. Later, the military introduced the electric chair, which was never used. Currently lethal injection is the sole method." "The death penalty by the U.S. military was reintroduced by the executive order of President Ronald Reagan in 1984." "On Monday, July 28, 2008, President George W. Bush approved the execution of United States Army Private Ronald A. Gray, who had been convicted in April 1988 of multiple murders and rapes. A month later, Secretary of the Army Pete Geren set the execution date of December 10, 2008 and ordered that Gray be put to death by injection at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana. The military publicly released Gray's execution date on November 20, 2008. On November 26, however, Gray was granted a stay of execution and has not yet been executed as of 2009." | ||
| Hmartin |
Castration with a spoon would probably suffice. | ||
| Limitedx1 |
death by firing squad, and i will let him wear a bullet proof vest  | ||
| Mnrider |
A friend of mine has a Koran in his library and after 9-11 we got it out to try to find answers. It was shocking what we found. | ||
| Odie |
IMO.... three biggest problems the world, as a whole has... 1. Differences in religions 2. Money, or lack thereof 3. Politics I agree that some folks are just plain evil regardless of race, color, creed, religion, whatever.... We need an open carry law across the country and crime would go down a good bit. Gotta go- need more ammo..... | ||
| Odie |
Another, I feel, more important facet of this deal is, think about what it is like as a soldier to not be able to trust your fellow soldier. Doesn't matter if you are in a foxhole taking fire, flying a helicopter, cooking vittles for your unit, whatever. One of their own killed his own. Not to mention a Major and a professional medical type who is supposed to be helping his fellow soldiers. How does a young PFC overcome something like this??? No trust and things go downhill rapidly..... | ||
| Midknyte |
It would seem, that this may shape up to be less "snap", and more "premeditated" http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/06/fort-hood-sho oter-bo.html#comments "Alleged shooter in yesterday's Fort Hood massacre bought his "cop killer" pistol legally at Guns Galore, in Texas. The ammo can pierce bulletproof vests..." This is gonna get ugly[er] | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
One gun bought legally at Killeen store By Wire reports | Friday, November 6, 2009, 03:19 PM WASHINGTON (AP) — Law enforcement officials say a 5.7-millimeter pistol used in the Fort Hood shooting rampage was purchased legally at a Texas gun store. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case. Records indicate Hasan bought the FN 5.7 at store called “Guns Galore” in Killeen, Texas, well before the attack that left 13 people dead. The pistol has been dubbed a “cop killer” by those who have tried to stop its use. The most powerful type of ammunition for the gun is available only to law enforcement and military personnel. Gun control advocates call it a “cop killer” weapon because that ammo can pierce bulletproof vests, and its use by Mexican drug cartels worries police. The above article doesn't even make sense. Sounds like typical anti-gun fear mongering | ||
| Reindog |
Lt Col Ralph Peters (ret) gets it right, Hasan conducted the worst terrorist attack in the United States since 9/11. His attack was not spontaneous as it was planned for some time. Expect the POTUS, the military and the media to cover it up. Katie Couric called it PTSD several times last night even though Hasan has never been in a war. Unmitigated BS. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnist s/fort_hood_xjP9yGrJN7gl7zdsJ31vnJ | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Yep, one thing I know for sure is it wont be called a terrorist attack. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
I'm sure if he was caucasian and catholic...it would bear the name "Home Grown Terror". | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and _americas/article6907235.ece I don't know why this guy did this. PTSD? from an officer, medical, never deployed? That's utter BS. ( though I know nurses who claim they have ptsd from their civilian jobs. I might agree with them ) Cop killer gun? Utter BS. Armor piercing ammo is NOT available for sale in gun stores for that FN period. Propaganda, and it's best to call it that to their faces. Now there has been a concerted effort not to call the multiple cases where a Muslim student or adult "suddenly" kills a bunch of people. The DC snipers, multiple car into crowd, and synagogue shootings don't even get "hate crime" labels, but they are terrorist acts. Even if this guy left his manifesto scrawled in blood, you won't get a straight answer from the tv. Maybe fox. Now, you must also remember that it may not be religious. Oklahoma City bombing was at first thought to be Islamic terror, but it turned out to be George Bush. ( Um, it was Bush, right? ) Ok, maybe religious murder, It's happened before, remember the Unibomber? He'd be working with Al Gore, today. Major Greenie. That's a scary insane violent religion. Mass murder today is most likely from one of 3 religions that are intolerant, violent, and use lies and deception to gain power. Environmentalism, Islam, and Communism. Lots of violent schisms in each. If Mao is your favorite philosopher, Al Gore your Prophet, or you await the 12th Imam and the end of the world, there is cause to not only be cautious of you, but doubt your word in any dealing. Christians? other than the jerks who picket service funerals with "God Hates Fags" signs, haven't been a major scary thing for a few years. Gotta watch them though. They might start burning witches again. (Message edited by aesquire on November 07, 2009) | ||
| Whatever |
Intolerant Environmentalism is a Religion? WTF???  I almost didn't reply to that it is so absurd... | ||
| Aesquire |
Discovery specials on "after man", "the science is settled" on "global warming", repeated lies on doom, mass death, and a really scary attitude that all would be well, if man just dies, leaving Mother Earth to the polar bears & baby harp seals. Jealous of the attention paid to a patriarchal "god" and utterly intolerant of dissent, disagreement. Truth means nothing to those who preach the doom of man, unless they get their way. A lot of cross culturing with the international communist movement, originally the Green Party of Europe was a Soviet puppet with the goal of reducing western industry & wealth. So, does the definition of religion apply when it's a made up by man to screw people movement? Yes, in the case of "liberation theology" the Soviet inspired movement starting in South America to suborn the Catholic church to the cause of "social & economic justice" & the revolution. Yes, in the case of the greenies, who burn car dealers and spike trees. But, I wouldn't want you to think I'm a conspiracy nut, would I? Still don't know why this nut killed people. | ||
| Whatever |
I guess cold hard facts and science are a religion too then... Still... WTF??? Not trying to argue, but you have some really strange ideas... | ||
| Aesquire |
The speed of light is observed phenomena. Science not religion. We all die in 10 years unless we save the polar bears is nutball speculation presented as fact. Religion not science. Science has hypothesis, "maybe it works like this" experiment, "how can we test my idea?" and rejection, "well, that was wrong" or confirmation, "seems like I was right". Then you tell the next scientist, he thinks of a new experiment that will refine the idea, "He seems right, but I think it's more like this...how to test that?" and on it goes as the match of idea to reality gets better & better. Religion lays down dogma, and reality can go hang. "The Sun will someday grow large, burn us all up, then either explode or collapse, not sure which, in millions of years" That's the theory, most scientists agree, based on watching other stars, far away & long ago. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown warned in a speech to the Major Economies Forum in London that the global community had fifty days to avoid a "climate catastrophe." Thats bull crap, even the scientists who agree with the hypothesis of anthropomorphic climate change would admit that such a deadline to create a world government to pay the third world the wealth of the western world in a form of carbon debt. is stretching the truth. It could take a few years longer and not change the climate, they even admit. Now, I believe in anthropomorphic climate change, I've studied it for years, long before it became this cult. Don't believe it's faith, not science? Ask al Gore a question on science. He won't answer. Ask a administrator at Woods Hole about oceans currents, they will answer. Which one's getting rich? that's the one full of religion. | ||
| Sifo |
Intolerant Environmentalism is a Religion? WTF??? I almost didn't reply to that it is so absurd... Not absurd at all. In fact it's seen the courts in London. http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1 936074,00.html
You just can't make this stuff up! | ||
| Sifo |
It seems Al Gore is also combining religion and global warming.
It's interesting that he has also backed off big time on the claims of CO2 and warming.
Now that's inconvenient! It's a good thing the science http://worldbbnews.com/2009/11/gores-spiritual-arg ument-on-climate/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Thank you Sifo. A. So we have a religion that wants to conquer the world & bring us into a workers paradise. ( where workers lives suck and an elite few rule with an iron fist ) B. A religion that want's to conquer the world & bring us into a spiritual paradise. ( where believers are under strict religious law, unbelievers either pay a tax or are enslaved ) C. A religion that wants to bring us into a green paradise. ( where workers lives suck and an elite few rule with an iron fist )Some elements think that we'd be better off if we just all killed ourselves & let the fluffy bunnies roam free. ( That IS I admit the radical fringe.) Some only want us to stop reproducing, eating meat or heating our homes in winter. A. has murdered hundreds of millions of people in the 20th century. Mostly subjects of that State religion. B. has murdered a few millions in the 20th century, ( more in the 13th-19th ) and promise to do better in this one. C. though related to A. are just getting started. If any of the 3 main a--hole religions I mention get hold of a kill them all plague, C. is the one most likely to use it IMHO. Could the Fort Hood guy be a greenie? | ||
| Whatever |
 Wow! I see you really got it all figured out... WTF??? | ||
| Aesquire |
Do you want documentation, or are we far enough off topic? Or are we? If they kill you & the excuse is "holy war on the infidel" does it matter if their holy cause is the Caliphate ( if you have to look that up, please do. ), the Revolution, ( ditto- see Communism, American Progressive movement, fascism ) or the Environment? Only a tiny minority of any group is nuts. Evil people twist religions to gain power & wealth. It is a pity we jump to the conclusion that just because this guy is allegedly islamic, and some truly awful reporting in the news, that it's islamic terrorism. But we aren't that bad. We haven't gone around burning down anyones churches, and I'd like to keep it that way. | ||
| Whatever |
A-- Have you any scientific background or training? One of the research projects I did at Duke University was an analysis on calcium carbonate cycles in the Hatteras Outer Ridge sediments... that is off the shelf of North Carolina on the slope of the shelf before it gets into really deep water... the more carbonate in the sediment, the warmer the environment was for that locality in the ocean... now mind you these locations move as the tectonic plates are formed in the Mid Ocean Ridge, but the Atlantic is fairly geophysically stable and the sediments are analyzed for dates isotopically in conjunction with CaCO3... These measurements are so accurate that they can actually detect the fact that the Earth wobles a tiny bit when it spins... this is known as the Chandler wobble... and you can measure its periodicity by analysing sea shelf sediments. You can't measure the deep sea sediment carbonate content because in the oceans there is a depth at below which the carbonate dissolves... it has something to do with acidity versus production which is related to global temperature. Anyhow, this is science... not like I have a PhD in it or anything, but I do remember finding sediments from the last ice age that dropped drastically in carbonate content when they were analysed. There are many other methods that support the global warming theory, but I, myself see a bigger picture with the eratic weather we are getting... Anyhow... I have never seen any of the real people I know that conduct environmental studies harming or killing people because they have a "belief system" or what you would call a religion that suggests they do so... Quite to the contrary, this kind of research is mainly motivated by a desire to help mankind and animalkind, etc. I think maybe you read Monkeywrench Gang too many times? I don't know and I don't really care. Fearmongering seems to be the new hobby on badweb and I don't buy it. Now we are far enough off topic AND I also think you have some very strange ideas indeed. So that is all I have to say about that. Time for bed. (Message edited by Whatever on November 08, 2009) | ||
| Sifo |
Whatever, I don't see anything you posted that supports AGW. Showing the climate has changed in the past does nothing to support that man is causing the warming of the past century. It does however support the idea that the temperature changes of the past century really are not unusual. All of that aside I have two questions for you. 1) Exactly what erratic weather are you talking about that supports AGW theory? 2) Exactly what do you attribute the recent lack of warming to in the past decade while greenhouse gassed are continually on the rise, and we are being told that even if we stopped producing greenhouse gases completely right now we would still see warming for decades. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
So thats why this guy committed murder? I'm lost. | ||
| Aesquire |
If you want to argue global warming, there is a thread on the backfire board that would be better. Suffice to say, it was warmer 1000 years ago, colder about 700-200 years ago, and warm in the 1990's. Colder in the early 2000's and I'm not happy. I prefer good riding weather to upcoming ice age. I have never seen any of the real people I know that conduct environmental studies harming or killing people ... Exactly!! I've never met a muslim that killed anyone either. Victims of Saddam, yes. Victims of religious hatred, that had to leave their homelands or die, yes. Same with people that had to flee Communism, or die. ( See Orange County CA. ) So far havn't seen the rabid environuts do mass slaughter, except the fall out of "Silent Spring" and mass malarial death in the third world. That's bad enough. Give it time. Does the calcium record show increased atmopheric C02 before, or after heating spells? ( variable Sun, orbital wobbles, mean there are always heating/cooling spells. ) (Message edited by aesquire on November 08, 2009) | ||
| Sifo |
No, he just wanted to kill infidels. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0 Short version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40 |
