| Author | Message | ||
     Paw |
How many people think it is a bad thing that millions of children who were not covered will finally get health care coverage they need...I feel that in itself out weighs all the bad...Who knows some day your child or grandchild will need this health care. | ||
| Rwven |
I think that's about the only good thing in the bill. This bill is just a set-up for a single payer system anyway. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Considering the actual number of chronically and persistently uninsured Americans is only 10-13M, I don't consider nationalizing one sixth of our economy and destroying the best medical system in the world in an effort to provide coverage to the small portion of this number a "victory" This is the single largest piece of garbage ever enacted by Congress. We can only hope that the Senate comes to their senses and tables this thing. | ||
| Slaughter |
You cannot just focus on one aspect of the bill and judge it solely on THAT aspect. That is what politicians on BOTH SIDES are doing. As long as my doctor is not FORCED to accept patients on the government plan, as long as I can still buy and provide for my OWN care using my OWN insurance, I will be OK. The fact that the funding for this program is NOT defined, the fact that non-citizens will STILL be draining our system (despite the lip service we've been "promised") Despite the fact that this will reduce the motivation to conduct ground-breaking medical research, we're just stuck with it. Glad I don't (and won't) have kids. Hate to think about how my grandchildren are going to have to continue paying the now 5+Trillion additional obglitations for the Government-run banking, Government-run auto industry and now the Government-run medical business... this spending orgasm is frightening. "Universal" health care is good, undefinable debt and future obligation is not. NONE of the legislators read the 2000+ pages of this legislation nor did their staffers... how the H E L L can we expect to have a decent argument over the details when NO CONGRESSPERSON has read it either. We're in too much of a "do something, ANYTHING - even if it's wrong" reactionary mode. Just because our system has NOT worked the past few decades, doesn't mean that ANY change is good. Here in Los Angeles County where now almost 75% of live births in our county are TO ILLEGALS and non-citizens, it DOES color my thinking. Yes, "the children" need care - but let's turn off the welfare magnet. THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS in the bill to PREVENT offering medical treatment to non-citizens and we ALL can see where that has gotten us. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
best medical system in the world? Maybe. But I will argue to the death that it is the WORST insurance scam in the world. How in the hell can you support an "insurance" industry that denies coverage to healthy babies because they consider them too small or too big for their age? How can you support an industry that causes people to file for bankruptcy because the can't pay for the bills their "insurance" denies? How can you support an industry, that in order to pay their stock holders and their CEO billions of dollars, must raise premiums and deny coverage in order to turn a profit? Why do you have no issues with the amount of money that was pissed away by the former administration and continues to hamper the new administration to fight 2 wars and rebuild other countries, yet, now you're concerned "where the money will come from" to help people in our own country? Why should THOUSANDS of AMERICANS continue to die every year because they can't afford $1,000 a month premiums? What's wrong with offering a affordable option? So I assume people here that bitch about it and you others, when old enough, will turn down medicare because it's government run? How many "tea bagers" turn down medicare? Time to step up. Prove your disapproval and don't accept it. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
How come millions of children don't have health care? That's the real problem.In the end, my health care will cost more and I will also have to chip in to pay for children's health care........that I didn't father! | ||
| Rocketsprink |
but you don't mind paying for useless wars? You people confuse me. I have my own example. I just got over pneumonia. One small bottle of cough syrup and 10 antibiotic pills was, get this...$1000! My co-pay was $60. What do you do if you can't afford health insurance and you have to pay for prescription drugs that cost $1000? Well, I guess you don't get the meds and hope for the best. Oh yeah. That's a great system!   | ||
| Spiderman |
All I know is the govt can not fix a road, street, etc so how are they going to fix me...  | ||
| Rocketsprink |
The national highway system isn't bad. That looks like a state road. Blame the state of Michigan for that. | ||
| Xb12xmike |
They al-freakin-ready have CLINICS here in usa. And have Charity care programs all-freakin-over the usa. All are based on your income. They pay for 20 to 80 to 100% of your costs. So... WTF are you babbling about? BTW: Your 100% wrong about the current war being useless. (Where is that Castrol Dipstick guy when you need him??) | ||
| Rwven |
Rocketsprink, "Teabaggers" have paid into the Medicare system for years whether they like it or not. If you offer them all that money back with interest in order to opt out, then you have a fair offer. | ||
| Sifo |
What do you do if you can't afford health insurance and you have to pay for prescription drugs that cost $1000? You show up in the ER with no insurance. You are treated. You do not pay. The hospital stays in business by charging those with insurance way more than they should. | ||
| Sifo |
How many "tea bagers" turn down medicare? Why do those from the party of acceptance and diversity use hateful, sexual, gay terms to describe those with whom they disagree? | ||
| Xb12xmike |
Sifo, You are 100% CORRECT. But you still get a bill in the mail. Not sure if it is reported on your Credit Reports or not. But...they will keep all your info in their records for years. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
"You show up in the ER with no insurance. You are treated. You do not pay. The hospital stays in business by charging those with insurance way more than they should." That's a great plan you got there. It's worked well so far, so let's just stick with it.  I can't say tea baggers, but it's ok to call the President of the U.S.A a Nazi? A Communist? Carry pictures of him in White face? Painted up to look like a witch doctor? Hitler?Freedom of speech goes both ways buddy. But I forgot, the whole homophobic thing. | ||
| Sifo |
Bad credit when associated with major medical bills pretty much gets a pass, at least that was the case when I was doing home mortgages. There has to be some repercussions for not taking the initiative to take care of yourself and your family. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How in the hell can you support an "insurance" industry that denies coverage to healthy babies because they consider them too small or too big for their age? Please cite examples. I have worked in the insurance industry with both individual and group benefits for almost 15 years and NEVER had this happen. How can you support an industry that causes people to file for bankruptcy because the can't pay for the bills their "insurance" denies? Unpaid bills are between the patient and the hospital. There is virtually NOTHING a hospital can do with unpaid balances but send them to collections. I have negotiated for clients and have PERSONALLY had to negotiate payment plans with hospitals for remaining balances. If you are paying something on your bill, the hospital is going to work with you. If a patient files for bankruptcy, the hospital is going to write off the bad debt and take the deduction. If the patient is at least paying something, the hospital has the ability to receive payment until they have recovered enough that the net amount written off coveres their costs. They do this every day. How can you support an industry, that in order to pay their stock holders and their CEO billions of dollars, must raise premiums and deny coverage in order to turn a profit? The same way that you can support the home insurance industry denies claims or controls costs, or the auto industry insurance denies claims or controls costs, or the social security industry denies claims or controls costs. What you fail to understand is that a universal healthcare system will have more denial of claims and cost controls than ANY insurance company could ever create. The really great thing is that you won't be able to sue them for benefits nor will you be able to escape the system to go to another "carrier". Why do you have no issues with the amount of money that was pissed away by the former administration and continues to hamper the new administration to fight 2 wars and rebuild other countries, yet, now you're concerned "where the money will come from" to help people in our own country? Because I understand the risks of global terrorism and I understand that we could have fought 6 simultaneous Iraqs and Afghanistans for the money we are pissing away on TARP, the Spendulous Plan, and Universal Healthfarce. At least we can point to 75M people who are more free because of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan than we can the complete lack of ANY benefit from TARP or from a SINGLE meaningful job being created by the stimulous plan. Why should THOUSANDS of AMERICANS continue to die every year because they can't afford $1,000 a month premiums? This is better than the THOUSANDS of AMERICANS who will die waiting for care when the coverage is "free". Ever been to the DMV lately? What's wrong with offering a affordable option? Let's look at what would make one option "affordable" vs. another "out of reach". If we are looking strictly at price, we would need to make the "affordable option" cheaper, right? This means that what would cost you $500/mo would only cost you $100/mo. Where does the other $400 come from? This difference is going to come from two sources. Initially, the cost differential will come from higher taxes. Taxes will be levied by those already paying for their own coverage. It is like folks who's kids go to private school having to pay taxes to support public schools. They will be paying twice. Short falls in revenue vs. services provided will require continued and increased taxes. Private healthcare must show a profit to stay in business. Government programs competing in the private space can show a loss and then cover those losses in higher taxes. At some point in time, though, there reaches a maximum point of tax increase. Service under the "affordable option" will remain high for a while. At some point in time, though, when additional taxes are not available, SIGNIFICANT cost savings measures will be employed. Denial of service, lines, rationing, etc. will all be employed. Even these measures will be insufficient to keep the system afloat. At some point in time, the system will collapse under its own weight. (see Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, TennCare). Do you REALLY believe there is $500B of "waste" in Medicare? If there really is, fix that waste first, and THEN lets talk about what to do with the money. So I assume people here that bitch about it and you others, when old enough, will turn down medicare because it's government run? Fortunately, most of us here won't have to make the choice to "turn down" medicare. It will be taken away out of necessity to support the single payor system. How many "tea bagers" turn down medicare? Time to step up. Prove your disapproval and don't accept it. I would LOVE the option to turn down Medicare and Social Security. I will probably not see either of these benefits in my lifetime, but I will pay for them. I pay 7.65% of my income that is matched by by employer. That's over 15% of my income taken from my first job at 15 to my last check before they shovel dirt over my face. That's 15% of EVERY dime I've earned for approximately 70 years. If we assumed just a $50,000 annual income that NEVER increased for 70 years, 15% of that ($7500) added annually at just a 5% rate of return would have grown to $4,413,964. I could have bought a shit load of medical and retirement benefits with that money. As it stands, I will pay $4,413,964 and I will receive NOTHING. NOTHING. You really think the answer is pumping trillions MORE into Washington? Why is it that the people who are now carping about "choice" and "option" are the same ones who won't let me pull out of Social Security and Medicare and are against school vouchers? Could it be that there really isn't much interest in "choice"? | ||
| Sifo |
I can't say tea baggers, but it's ok to call the President of the U.S.A a Nazi? A Communist? Carry pictures of him in White face? Painted up to look like a witch doctor? Hitler?Freedom of speech goes both ways buddy. But I forgot, the whole homophobic thing. You do understand that by doing this you implicitly are casting homosexuals in a negative light, don't you? Who's being homophobic? | ||
| Jstfrfun |
This is about votes not about children. It's not about benefiting the "people" either, it's about political job security. None of those politicos give a dammn about your health or it's cost, they just want to look like they are doing something...anything to earn another term. That's why the stimulus money is set-up to be handed out just before up-comming elections. Even though they still get to keep theyre current wages for the rest of there lives...along with the best healthcare plan our money can pay for. Children? no I don't think so. Not ours at least. Vote them out in 2010! | ||
| Sifo |
+1 Ft_bstrd. I agree with every point. | ||
| Crusty |
Blurbppbuubllbluapblurrrblableblurbalabap! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The really great part of the vote is how close it was, 220-215. The Senate uses the house as a canary in a mine. Look at Cap and Trade, 219-212. That bill hasn't seen the light of day. I'm hopeful that the Senate will see the closeness of the vote and will deep six this monstrosity. I don't think Harry Reid has the votes. I don't think HE thinks he has the votes. | ||
| Froggy |
+1 to that, I know I'm not going to see a dime of it either short of everyone suddenly dying at 75. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I'm not a homophobic. I have a gay 2 members of my family , and I love them both and their partners. And you still didn't answer my questions. | ||
| Sifo |
I have a gay 2 members of my family I'm sure they are proud of you. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
http://www.kpho.com/news/21294957/detail.html Here ya go FB I've wasted enough time here. Back to planning Homecoming for you all. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
They are, thank you very much. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I would LOVE the option to turn down Medicare and Social Security You guys crack me up. When and if you get Social Security, donate it. And when your old enough, use the Republican Health Insurance plan.......just don't get sick and you won't need Medicare. Solved your problem. You're welcome!! | ||
| Indybuell |
+2 to Ft_Bstrd The president is a socialist. The speaker of the house is a socialist. The senate majority leader is a socialist. Wealth redistribution is socialism. Couple questions. 1.) How are they going to insure that illegal aliens don't partake in the system. They sure as hell aren't paying into it. Don't give me some b.s. about their kids need the care, and it's not their fault. I'm a parent. I'm responsible for my kids. They can be too. 2.) How much more time is going to be wasted, and American soldier's blood shed, until the president wakes the hell up and sends some more troops to Afghanistan? Our Men and Women are in harms way, and he's too busy meeting with Oprah at the White House to do anything. Sprink - You ever served in the armed forces? Ever been in a forward area? Ever lost family defending this nation? It changes your perspective. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Why would I donate it. I PAID FOR IT! I get a small fraction of what I've paid in. I'm damn well going to get what I can back. The democratic plan will starve out benefits for the elderly. Rham and his brother have said so. As for your "too fat" baby couple. They are going to appeal the ruling of that insurance company or shop for another that WILL accept them. Great. That's capitalism and choice. I have three cases in underwriting right now where the applicant was either rated or declined by another carrier. We were able to shop other providers and find one that accepted them at standard. You can't do that with single payor. When you are fu*ked, you are fu*ked "universally". |
