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Dbird29
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why?
Guns are fun that's why.
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Didactic
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court, I am very sorry for your loss.

Glock 19 is my daily carry now, used to carry an 3.5 inch barreled compact 1911, but honestly I can place more shots on target with the lower recoil 9mm and I have more ammunition as well, as well as the ability to run Glock 17 mags and as a bonus my wife can operate it where she has difficulty with my 1911, plus it shares ammo with her s&w m&p 9mm, another pistol I would carry with no reservations, though it isn't really practical since it is rather big.

If you do go for a 1911, my opinion is to worry more about the non-corrosive coatings, quality components, and looser tolerances...a trick 1911 is nice at the range but for carry reliability is king, so I always prefer 1911s with a bit of "rattle" to them.

Finally, Wilson Combat mags are excellent, and Ranger bonded ammo is my preferred ammo combo for a 1911...good ballistics and lower risk of over-penetration.

A pet peeve of mine is that people don't quote the whole second amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Personally, I don't get much into the politics side. Pure and simple if someone threatens the life of those I love I have made the decision that I am o.k. with killing to defend them, pure and simple.

As far as needing, I would prefer to never need a firearm. I look at my pistol the same way I look at the jumper cables in my trunk, better to have and not need than need and not have.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why a handgun?

Ease of carry.
More readily available (potentially).
Easier to maneuver in close or tight confinement or in narrow corridors.
Less likely to alarm or cause concern to the general public if carried concealed.
Transportability.

A handgun might not be the "best" choice for all situations but it does have some aspects that make one a good choice for various scenarios.
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Sknight
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why?

Because it's my right. 233ish years ago a lot of good men died for that right along with all the other freedoms we're afforded. Would seem a shame to waste that.

Because you just never know. I've drawn mine once and while it wasn't a bluff it did defuse the situation. Proof enough that sometimes bad news comes to find you.

Because guns aren't bad. People are bad, guns just make the news better than other weapons.

Get training, practice, be proficient. We practice on our bikes don't we? Same applies if you carry.
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4cammer
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have plenty of guns. Most of them are nice, blued steel with walnut furniture. They are pretty, and show the art of the American (and Czech and Yugoslavian...) worker like nothing else can. I have them because they are machines, and I love machines. And I love to shoot. Thanks to Uncle Sam and your tax $$$ pretty damn well too.

I also have a Ruger PC9, Police Carbine 9mm, that is functionally ugly, has a black oxide finish with a truly uninspired polymer stock that rests in my home that I hope I never have to use. But it is my right if I have to.
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Loki
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

To carry or not, to own or not is not so much an "American" thing. So much more "personal" than that.

I will admit I have a CHL and I carry more often than not. If not on my person, it is within easy reach.

That being said.....

There is another pistol out there to look at. Anybody remember the Beretta Cougar? I really like mine. Most of my buds who have tried it also like it. Currently have one in 40S&W and looking for a twin in 357Sig.
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Gotlime
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a full sized Springfield Armory 1911 but my carry piece is a SIG P239 in .357SIG.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Get your guns now, avoid the rush. I have noticed in the last week the price of ammo when up a buck a box for no good damn reason.
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Strokizator
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Certainly, most people would think twice before being offensive to someone with a clearly displayed weapon.

"An armed society is a polite society" - Robert Heinlein
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Kyrocket
Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've just now gotten in on the conversation and have just recently purchased my first pistol. It's a P229 Sig Sauer and I really like it. As far as the open carry laws I can only speak for my state, Kentucky. We have an open carry law. As long as it's in the open then it's perfectly legal. Not many people do because people want to make a fuss over it. We just had a local festival where hundreds of gun buyers, sellers, and traders come to town and openly buy, sell and trade. No muss, no fuss. Let me see if I can find an old link to show you how we do it here. This is about two hours from my house...

http://current.com/items/87302871_machine-gun-shoo tout.htm

Another interesting one with Michael Bane, same place...



(Message edited by Kyrocket on November 09, 2009)

(Message edited by blake on November 10, 2009)
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The 1911 is going to be the only full size pistol that carries well due to it's flat profile. They are heavy, especially in an all steel version. Any of the Beretta and Taurus pistols you mentioned are too wide to carry well under light clothing...and are uncomfortable. The Taurus PT911 is the best thing going right now. There's no reason to pay more money for a comparable pistol.

I'd highly recommend a CZ in a compact aluminum framed version in 40S&W or 9mm if an all metal pistol is wanted. They are light, pack well, have amazing ergonomics and are very accurate and reliable.



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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm in the market and this discussion is very interesting.

CZ is Czech, yes?

I really want to buy American made. Colt Commander is very appealing. Does it shoot +P in stock form or are mods required?
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4cammer
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

CZ is from the Czech Republic. I have 3. They are fantastic. Best 9mm platform in my opinion.

They do make the CZ/Dan Wesson 1911's here...Blake, in regards to Colt, their QC is reputed not to be close to what it once was. See here:

http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My Colt 1991A1 had an extractor clocking issue. A $19 part fixed it, but if I hadn't read a book on tweaking the thing, I probably would've been pretty miffed. Everything else I've done to it has been largely unnecessary enhancements.




Here's a pretty good link to some Colt Commander info:
Colt Commander Review
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I favor a Commander size 1911 with alloy frame. Even so, a 1911 is still a big thing to hide.

A bobtail mainspring housing ( and matching frame mods ) helps a lot, but not as much as proper body shape & clothing. ( one you just buy, the other, not so easy ) Clint Eastwood in a suit jacket can carry a big gun. Larry the Cable Guy in a t shirt & jeans needs to carry a lot smaller.

I wouldn't bother with +p ammo for a .45ACP, it has a fine balance of recoil to terminal effect, especially with good modern expanding ammo.

That said, I prefer several clones over the Colt. They pretty much abandoned the civilian market in handguns a while back. I'm very fond of the Para LDA series. They don't make yet the one I really want which would be a high cap short grip w 4 1/2 inch barrel in alloy & LDA... but they probably will. And they are now made in the U.S.

Laser sights rock. both for bad visibility ( when most bad things happen ) and to train out hand movement on trigger squeeze.

http://www.gunblast.com/Perfect1911.htm

The reason most people don't need guns is that some good people do have them.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 04:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd say save your duckets for a Kimber if you can.


The HK45 is also a great piece, but you said you'd prefer all metal.

(Message edited by m1combat on November 11, 2009)
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Limitedx1
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

owning a kimber and having owned a few other brands i wouldnt worry about saving the pennies for one. its just a name. granted their customer service is great but you can get close to the same thing for less. i do like carrying my kimber pro tactical

the best bang for the buck on the market is the new taurus 1911, i own one with a rail on it and let me tell you it is all business! half the price of my kimber and put together every bit as well!!!

cant ever go wrong with a TRP either!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My 1991 has occasional jams. I had access to a Colt 1911 that was made some time in the 1930's, and put several thousand rounds through it, and the only misfire was one I failed to put powder into when I reloaded.

(A pistol primer alone will not push a round .45 slug out of a 5 inch barrel. DAMHIK).
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where's BHR these days?
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I suspect BHR is probably busier than he's been since the Y2K days.
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Rocket_scientist
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have several different 1911's and hands down my Kimber Ultra Carry II is the best. It was not cheap, but worth every penny I paid.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That looks like a very nice weapon.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Kimber is next on my list . . . it's made right here near NYC.
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Rocket_scientist
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A number of friends have Kimbers too and always have raved about them. I couldn't justify the cost until one friend let me try his. I shot a better group with it the first time I fired it then I had with the full size Springfield I was shooting that I'd owned for years.

Court, if you are in East Troy in the near future and want to take my Kimber for a "demo ride" you are welcome to.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I may take you up on that . . . I'd like to visit Kimber in Yonkers. I'm by their place a lot.

What model and caliber did you go with? I see 3 models of the Ultra Carry II and confess to being drawn to the Tritium Night Sights in the .45ACP.
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Rocket_scientist
Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is the Ultra Carry 2 with regular sights in .45

For a .45 that small it has very little kick. I think a couple of the other guys around Buell have it in the full size frame.

I ended up with the model I did because I just happened to stumble into a killer deal on it through a close friend and Buell rider who has an FFL.

I have a 40 round drum for it (just because I can) that kills the balance but it a riot to put on it and blaze away with. The drum is bigger than the actual gun.
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