| Author | Message | ||
     Dentguy |
"Ask Cory West, who tested the MV's and the Buells how he would compare an 1125RR with an MV F4 if you want to thin out your Italian vino a bit." "Cory said the F4 was a "pig" or a "piece of shit" or words to that effect." Was that comment was made while he was riding for Erik Buell Racing on an 1125RR? | ||
| Tpoppa |
Someday there WILL be a Brutale in my garage. But the recent 1125R purchase, just put that off by 3 or 4 years. Anyone see 'Twist of the Wrist: MV Agusta?' It was impressive. | ||
| Teddagreek |
The new twist of the wrist Video? is it any good? | ||
| New12r |
Buddy bought a brand new F4 last year. trailered it home, went to break it in and found a coolant leak. 4 months later the dealer said there was no problem. He got 8 miles away and it started puking coolant AGAIN. 3 month later he was told there was STILL no problem. AGAIN he got less than ten miles away before coolant started spewing. Cut his losses and unloaded the bike. Never even got passed 100 miles on a 25k bike. | ||
| Xb984r |
Come on Dentguy, you know how it works here. Remember Jeremy McWilliams had some nice things to say about Buell and it was gospel, as soon as he made a good comment about any other bike it was because he was getting paid. | ||
| Court |
>>>Was that comment was made while he was riding for Erik Buell Racing on an 1125RR? No, before. I have 4 friends who all bought the early F4 MV Agustas and they are a piece of art. They . . . for better or worse . . . just don't ride them and one has more miles on his new Desmowhatever RR Ducati than on his F4. I will give them the drop dead sexy looking award. For those of you who aren't familiar I shot these during the last year during a testing session . . . .          | ||
| Svh |
Still the best looking motorcycle in my mind. Especially the Tamborini. | ||
| Rocketman |
It's hard to ride an F4 without losing your license. The Duc is easier all round now they've made it less focused than the 916 genre. A lot of owners are careful with their use of MV's it seems. Often hard to find one that's seen a drop of rain. Believe me, in the UK that's some serious self control seeing as it never stops pi$$ing down all summer! Mind you, who'd want a rusty one, lol. Lovely pic's, thanks. Rocket | ||
| Lew360 |
A $25K bike with 170+ hp and they use a c-clip to retain the chain? | ||
| Greest_lightnin |
OKAY... Apparently I've opened a can of worms here...Let me explain, and I'll try to answer each reply... Oldog...I wish I could take every August off...don't you? I hear it's a European thing...If that ain't cool, I don't know what is. As far as fixing my MV myself, I have no fear. I am tooled to the teeth, and unlike having to buy a service manual, I downloaded it off the web. All 400 pages. And that's not even getting into the motor download. Rocket...Dude, you used to piss me off, but now we would seem to be in complete agreement, as the MV is exactly as you described it... Bads1...I can understand that the V-twins are "too integrated into Harley-Davidson", but why couldn't they sell the Rotax version? I mean, they still gotta honor the contract with Rotax, right? Badlionsfan, You are the funniest poster of them all...I've owned and ridden both...guess which one I sold? Gimme yer best guess...  Court, May I ask you the same question that I did anony? Have you ever ridden one? I mean, to question the opinion of someone that posts anonymously is one thing, but you being the GOD of all things motorcycle, have you? Rocket,Duc,Garyl...+3 Rainman...yer scarin' me...  Ferris, I was wondering the same thing>  May I cunclude? My experience with my Buell has been nothing less than fantastic. Outside of battery issues, the bike has been bulletproof. It's been an absolute hoot...3 time state Battletrax champion...I really enjoyed spankin' the rice...  But I've moved on gang...bigger and better things..(faster...WAY faster)... Don't hate me for it gang... Al | ||
| Rocketman |
I moved on from Buell as a company sometime ago. I awaited the S1W replacement with much excitement. My words are archived here, lol. Then we got the XB9S Sportsfighter. Engine too small. Bike too small. Not for me a Streetfighter I was hoping for. And to cap it all it was too slow. I did have a vision of seeing one with a bigger engine and flat bars, and I asked that Scott guy at the British bike show if Buell were going to make such a model. He told me testing had showed the geometry did not suit flat bars! Of course, he was lying and must have already known they were coming. As much as I like the XB12S, they still didn't break 150mph, and that for me back then was a milestone of development and confidence in the power stakes. In other words you'd still be ringing its neck keeping up with your mates on Japanese race reps etc, or even what the Japanese were offering like the new Z1000 which goes like shit off a shovel. It told me that my style of riding would kill a 12S like it did my S1W until I spent thousands more on it. Then I got to ride a Brutale 750. And a 1000 F4. The F4 poisoned my 750 dream. I wanted that engine in the Brutale - which was strongly rumoured to be happening. I waited. Then the 910 Brutale came along. I was woefully disappointed. Where the 750 was an absolute hoot to ride, dancing up and down the transmission to 13500 RPM, the 910 was much less revvy, had more torque which made it somewhat dull and boring. It was so capable of going fast in 6th from 30MPH to 160+ MPH there was never any need to change gear. I found the magic of riding it had been lost. Utterly superb handling machine though. Totally effortless and so so easy to go very very fast on. That I loved. But the enjoyment of keeping it up in the power band had gone. That for me was an engaging part of the magic. Most 910 tests of the time said similar, but still raved about the 910. So I bought a TVR Griffith 500 instead, and now I know my next dream bike would be a 750 Brutale. Well it won't be a Buell will it - unless Erik comes back with a bike that looks as magnificent in a new era as the S1 did in the 90's. And it would need some serious performance, if nothing else to win the grandad stakes when downing a pint with biking buddies.  Rocket | ||
| Rainman |
And Hugh Hefner is gay. Who'da thunk it? | ||
| Rocketman |
I believe the point was MV's handle, unless of course you know Hef is gay? Stranger things and all that  Rocket | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"Anyone see 'Twist of the Wrist: MV Agusta?' It was impressive" Its Discovery HD's "Twist the Throttle", and yes, it was very very good. All of them have been awesome. The only one that was "iffy" in my opinion was Bimota. | ||
| Blake |
When a professional motorcycle road racer speaks of how a bike handles, it is nothing to which sport bike street enthusiasts can relate. | ||
| Rocketman |
You can't say that with any certainty. For a kick off a few F4 1000 standard street bikes were campaigned in various superbike championships by privateers. British, German and Italian to name three. Pretty much stock street bikes without lights etc, and not ridden by top riders, and often they placed for privateer points. Such efforts are not so unusual for all manufacturers these days, but you can't write off a streetbike as the dogs doo da's just because a pro racer says so. Such is ludicrous on his behalf as most superbikes are streetbikes. And they're getting ever closer to what we ride with the more recent restraining rules. And in any case, if you wish to get pedantic we could just stump up one of the several MV 1000 special editions like the F4 Veltro Pista. A thoroughbred race bike in its own right. Then what of the opinion of a pro racer? But yes if we are talking about the racer and not the bike, then your statement holds some water, though it is not gospel. I could become a professional racer next season. It probably won't make me any better a rider, but would you then credit me as worthy of your statement Blake? Rocket | ||
| Blake |
My statement is simple fact. Handling on a racetrack in racing conditions is so far above and beyond what is experienced in sport riding on the street, to claim otherwise is ridiculous. A bike that handles nicely on the street may well turn into an ill-handling pig on the track when pushed to competitive limits. I'm not aware of the F4 setting the racing world fire. It failed miserably in ASBK racing. The Buell 1125RR would have whipped it but good. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I haven't ridden any MV. Visually, the F4 is a stunning machine considering it came out - what? - nearly 10 years ago? It hasn't changed all that much since then. The details, fit and finsh are all very nice, but the overall package just looks a bit dated to me at this point. I'm curious what this new F4 will look like. The teaser exhaust photo looks promising. The Brutale, I really like. I don't know that I'd ever spend the coin on one, but they sure are pretty and don't have that dated look about them. Also, I know power figures were astounding when they came out, but again - not much has changed in a decade and the numbers aren't all that great anymore, considering BMW is getting 200hp out of a street 1000cc four. | ||
| Rocketman |
Welcome back to a good ole sparring session then  My statement is simple fact. Handling on a racetrack in racing conditions is so far above and beyond what is experienced in sport riding on the street, to claim otherwise is ridiculous. I believe we were talking about a somewhat unknown racer talking about a road bike he'd ridden, and not raced. In which case your statement of fact is somewhat meaningless here when talking merits and pitfalls of an MV. A bike that handles nicely on the street may well turn into an ill-handling pig on the track when pushed to competitive limits. I would not argue such can be true in some if not many cases. But let's be right here, we are talking MV. You can't be serious? I'm not aware of the F4 setting the racing world fire. It failed miserably in ASBK racing. 1st SBK win back in 2007 here....... http://www.mvagusta.com.au/welcome/page46.php Also MV won the Italian SBK series last year in the hands of Luca Scassa. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Also, I know power figures were astounding when they came out, but again - not much has changed in a decade and the numbers aren't all that great anymore, considering BMW is getting 200hp out of a street 1000cc four. Google is your font of MV F4 knowledge. Rocket | ||
| Xl1200r |
Google is your font of MV F4 knowledge. I have no idea what that even means, lol. But, after revisiting their site, it seems the F4 is making 190hp, albeit with a nearly 1100cc engine. The last 1000cc model was at 174hp in 2007 - at that time a Suzuki GSX-R1000 was making 11hp more, and in 2009 it was bumped to 191 - essentially matching the MV without an extra 78 cc of displacement. I'm just putting it out there. The power figures aren't anything spectacular when taken into context with what else is out there. Of course, I'm only looking at peak HP, as I've never ridden either model and likely wouldn't ever buy either to really care about what the curve looks like. | ||
| Rocketman |
I think the question should be, could the big four beat MV in national or WSB if MV had the budgets to compete at those levels. That they won their domestic SBK series last year is surely a huge clue to the bikes capabilities. But as Yamaha showed us previously, building radial valve race engines to compete for probably no more than four races, maybe less, is very expensive. Had the money been there, leaving the HD takeover last year aside, I'd be confident in assuming MV would have loved to have defended their national title this season. Whatever. Racing or no racing, the MV range of bikes, each and every one of them are fantastic at performing as well as they look. Such is without argument - unless you're on a Buell forum where it's nigh on impossible for some to give credit to another manufacturer at risk of upsetting the Buell die hards. Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
MV does neat bikes. Way, way to expensive for my taste but neat. Next they need to figure out how to make some money  Not that Buell was making a ton, I think they had one year of profit and were getting closer to being able to repeat that. I don't think MV is even in the ball park of making money. HD will be lucky to get someone to buy them unless HD is willing to keep all the debt. | ||
| Midknyte |
So, what, would it just have been a bigger fiasco to shutter MV than Buell? | ||
| Xl1200r |
I think the question should be, could the big four beat MV in national or WSB if MV had the budgets to compete at those levels. Whatever. Racing or no racing, the MV range of bikes, each and every one of them are fantastic at performing as well as they look. Such is without argument - unless you're on a Buell forum where it's nigh on impossible for some to give credit to another manufacturer at risk of upsetting the Buell die hards. I think the budget argument is a fair one. For me, as a consumer, I don't give a rat's behind what a manufacturers R&D budget is - what I care about it am I getting the best product for my money. Good thing that also, as a consumer, I don't care if the MV needs extra CCs to make the power of a Suzuki 1000 - they don't disqualify the bike from street duty. And no doubt about the performance of the line up, I just don't think they're the be-all end-all of sport motorcycling. I don't think Buell is either (I just think they're closer). } | ||
| Spatten1 |
Let the pissing begin. | ||
| Skinstains |
Do I have to piss or can I just stir the sshhiitttt ? If you painted an R1, GSXR, CBR, Ninja, and an MV the same I couldn't tell them apart. All of them are ugly, especially that Itralian junk with that stupid half a swingarm and a dumb star wheel. Just because some spaghetti bending womanizer designed it doesn't mean that we can't be honest and say that it's UGLY. Heaven forbid. | ||
| 2kx1 |
Rocket, Where are the TVR pics? And are back in business yet? | ||
| Rocketman |
If you painted an R1, GSXR, CBR, Ninja, and an MV the same I couldn't tell them apart. If you're happy to let your ignorance of motorcycle design be spoken here, then who better to shout it out than yourself. Good for you! Rocket | ||
| Cyclonedon |
If you painted an R1, GSXR, CBR, Ninja, and an MV the same I couldn't tell them apart. All of them are ugly, especially that Itralian junk with that stupid half a swingarm and a dumb star wheel. Just because some spaghetti bending womanizer designed it doesn't mean that we can't be honest and say that it's UGLY. Heaven forbid  Do I have to piss or can I just stir the sshhiitttt ? Skinstains, you can do either, just keep posting! That was so funny! |
