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New12r
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 08:40 pm: | 
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FEED THE TROLL!!!
NOM NOM NOM NOM!
Anony, I would still buy a buell even if you called confused individual worse things than that. |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 09:11 pm: |
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As well as tooling as Steve M. can attest.
Yes, I can. And I've thanked every one of you that I could the past 6 months. Buell has made the past 6 months very enjoyable at work. You've also helped indirectly employ 6 skilled tool & die makers/designers for the past 6 months.
Thank You.
Patches, ever hear the saying, "better to by silent and look the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Please continue to remove all doubt.
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Pkforbes87
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 09:15 pm: |
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From my BWB profile:
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. - Abraham Lincoln |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 09:25 pm: |
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Although people may, at the moment, be exhibiting a diminished level of tolerance . . .. be mindful that a patently inaccurate statement such as "Most of the parts on the 1125r/cr are made in china." is not less "name calling and vulgar" than the response you received.
Trying telling a mother who's daughter has just been raped "she had it coming".
Frankly you owe someone an apology. |
Patches
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 05:56 am: |
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Long before Harley Davidson Announced the end of the Buell Product Line I asked why did they stop putting "American Motorcycles" on them. Everybody said the majority of the parts were not manufactured in the U.S.A. The only part a reworked outdated Harley Davidson Sportster Engine was American.
The 1125r/cr Engine is Rotax- Austria. Long before Harley Davidson Announced the end of the Buell Product Line the Dealerships were discounting the 1125r/cr $5000.00 to get them off the showroom floor. For Buell to get past the Stigma of being associated with Harley Davidson they went to a foreign engine and still they did not sale. I believe the 1125r/cr it is not an American Sport-bike.
I mean no Ill Will or Disrespect to Eric Buell or the Workers of BMC. I hated to see another American Company fall victim to this economy. Especially an American Motorcycle Manufacture.
Just stop the Harley Bashing. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 08:33 am: |
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Buell built motorcycles.
Harley Davidson was mainly a subprime lender and "t-shirt and trash" vendor that also makes some pretty nice motorcycles within a particular niche.
How much of that "t-shirt and trash" is made in the USA? The main thing Harley was "making" in the USA was bad loans.
Harley took two very high high risk bets in an attempt to maximize profit. Maximizing profit is a good thing, but not when it gets short term tactical gains at the cost of long term strategic losses. That's not profit, that's selling the farm... and if I wanted to sell the farm I would have asked for a LOT more money then what they were getting.
Of course it went badly. First high risk bet was that they could continue to make high risk loans to get people to buy motorcycles. The hope was that because the economy kept running, this high risk people would keep (barely) making payments. Or if they couldn't, that a repossesed bike would be easy to sell for at least what was still outstanding on the loan. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Compound that with forcing the poor dealers to build multi-million dollar palaces to maintain the franchise, and financing that for them, and the death spiral only gets worse. This first mistake alone may very well be enough to force HD to declare themselves bankrupt.
The next mistake is to focus on a trendy niche. It's a great trendy niche, but then again, aren't they all when they are trendy niches. The problem is, at some point, they aren't trendy niches anymore. Or they are tapped out by others exploiting the trendy niche. Harley has had a heck of a run in their trendy niche, but they are making the mistake of assuming that because it ran for 30 years its a forever thing.
So their first high risk bet crashed and burned as the economy tanked and everyone suddenly understood why a high risk loan is high risk.
Harley executives response? Find the other really high risk bet, and double down on it. Assume that the "harleywood" story will stay a money machine forever, and that the bikes they build now are the only bikes people will ever want. They do this in spite of *clear* evidence to the contrary. How many people do you think are on dealer waiting lists for a new Harley today, versus 1999?
Their "recovery plan" that included killing Buell was unwise, inconsistent, and likely flat out a stack of lies. I owned the stock when they made the announcement (sold it that day, which was a good move). The current executives should be fired.
Smart companies are using the recession as a chance to regroup and invest in the future. Harley is apparently using it as a chance to regroup and look boldly back to a past that is... well... passing. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:05 am: |
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Yo'all gotta give the anony's some slack here. You'd be a bit crabby if you had a couple of knifes sticking out of your back. Then you have to listen to people who saw something on the internet and they use it to twist the knife a bit.
BTW you folks that claim this is not American; if you take the total cost of making a bike, from design to assembly far and away the largest part of that is spent in the USA. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:24 am: |
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Dave, the Federal Trade Commission wouldn't see the 1125's as American.
from the FTC....
"What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?
For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim,
the product must be “all or virtually all” made in the U.S.The term “United States,” as referred to in the Enforcement
Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.
What does “all or virtually all” mean?
“All or virtually all” means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin.
That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:31 am: |
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So what the federal govenrment says is the truth? Always or just in this case
I stand by my statement that the majority of the money spent to build a Buell is spent int he USA. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 10:37 am: |
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If regulations set up by the FTC to protect consumers from false "made in usa" or "american" are lies, then yeah, just go ahead and substitute them with your own "truth".
Makes sense.
Harley has to write Rotax/BRP a check for over $100,000,000 dollars. That 100 mil wasn't spent here. That's just for the 1125 motors.
I understand perfectly well that not every part can be from the US. I also understand that HD uses forgein parts. Personally I think the XB's are an American product, the 1125's, not so much.
(Message edited by Buellinachinashop on November 04, 2009) |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 12:05 pm: |
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Don't know that Buell is making ANY claims that are covered under FTC rules. Makes no difference to me. Just that I know MOST of the moeny goes to the USA. Even for the 1125.
HD certainly has to give Rotax a big check, they could have avoided that, first if they had the skills to design and build such a motor they would have gotten the job and second if they would sell off Buell not just shut them down they could avoid paying it altogether.
Not Buells fault, that all lies squarely at Juneau Avenue. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 01:06 pm: |
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I wanna do laps around Juneau Ave with a big foamy finger and it wouldn't be #1. |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 08:57 pm: |
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>>>Harley has to write Rotax/BRP a check for over $100,000,000 dollars.
While that may make a fun Internet rumor . . . . it's inaccurate. |
Endoman33
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 - 09:03 pm: |
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Harley-Davidson used Rotax/BRP with the MT500 I think somewhere around 1990-1993. Just some useless info |
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