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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've had the new puppy for about 4 days now. The first three were fine - she seemed happy and healthy and normal. Lots of kisses, lots of tail wagging and generally would always come to you and get in your lap if you got down on the floor, or crawl all over you if you laid down with her.

We are crate training her, and the crying at night has come down to about 20 minutes and then she stops for the rest of the night. Except for when she sleeps, she doesn't seem to care for her crate too much yet. I put treats in there for her and feed her in there so she gets more used to it.

But something is strange with her today. She whined a little early this morning around 6:30, so I took her outside to go to the bathroom, which she did. Then fed her, then back outside again. When I brought her back inside, she was interested in playing a little bit, like normal.

Then she started walking around whining (which she does do, especially when her collar is on), but it seemed like she wanted to go out again, so I took her out. She didn't really do anything, and just seemed to be shaking a little. She's 9 weeks old, the grass was wet with dew and it was in the 50's outside, so I just figured she was cold (I know I was). Took her back inside and I noticed she was keeping her tail tucked down most of the time and her head low. She wouldn't come to me, and if I tried to go to her she would get up and go someplace else. Eventually, she laid down in her crate on her own (that would be the first time), still seeming very sad and shaking some. I tried helping her find a piece of treat I left in there for her, and she licked at it a little, but wouldn't eat it, and eventually just went to sleep.

She woke up and left the crate and went to lay on her bed. I went to lay with her and she got up and left again, so I picked her up, held her close to try and make her feel safe for a minute or two and put her back down. She's now passed out on her bed. The shaking seems to have stopped.

I'm not sure what the deal is - never experienced this with a dog before, so I'm a little stumped.

Right now I'm just going to let her sleep and see what she's like when she wakes up. I'm wondering if she just has a tummy ache or something?
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U4euh
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Possible. My Pit has a tendency to get 'clogged' up with a little extra coming out the back end. She acts the same way you are describing, till me or the wife pull out that lil extra.(gross I know)

Could be that she is also going through seperation from the litter.
I would watch her next time she goes out just to see how her bowel movements are. When dogs have tummy aches they have a natural tendency to eat grass.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Her "stuff" this morning looked pretty much normal - solid and well formed.

She just woke up, so I took her out again. Better spirits, ran around the yard some and chased the cats. Tail wagging again, but still doesn't come to me anymore. Once we got back inside it was the same thing.

She did eat a treat I gave her...

Come to think of it, I think she might have ear mites. She's scratching at them a lot and they don't look all that clean. I wonder why the Vet didn't catch that yesterday?
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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(Message edited by not_purple_s2 on September 15, 2009)
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U4euh
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The ear mite thing could be a possibility, especially if you have a habit of rubbing her ears or around that area. It could be irritated and she knows your going to touch it, therefore avoids you. IDK
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Kilroy
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It sounds like something physical indeed, something like a tummy ache or possibly the mites. Chances are she has forgotten all about her littermates. Dogs don't fret over stuff like that. She's not "dissing" you either. Don't comfort her by picking her up and petting her when she is feeling lousy - she will associate feeling lousy with getting attention and you may be making the problem worse.

I would run her by the vets again. Hopefully it is minor and she will be bounding around again in a few hours -
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did some research, turns out the Advantix flea and tick meds have had this effect on lots of people's dogs - intolerance to touch, tremors, odd behvaior...

Took her to the vets - generally we would just bath her and try something else (like frontline), but it's been too long, so we're going to keep an eye. If it gets worse, she'll get a bath. If not, we'll ride it out.

She got a shot of bennadryl in case it was something alergic, so we should have a quiet puppy this afternoon.
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The grass eating thing of a dog is actually myth. My dogs eat grass from time to time. Dogs actually do it if they are not getting enough greens in there diets so they compensate for it in eating grass. Now a dog that eats lots at one time may have a upset stomach. They'll insure to vomit that way in many cases you'll see stomach acids. My advice is to you is to watch her food intake... is she eating... little is better then none. Is she having a bowel movement and urinating normal. If her stool is runny wait a day to see if it firms. If not see your vet. Most important is she drinking??? If not she may be getting dehydrated and there fore see your vet right away.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Flea and tick meds on a young puppy? I thought that was a no-no. If you keep her inside and keep here bathed, I'd not expose her to the insecticide stuff yet.

On another vein, ever watch the Dog Whisperer? Best thing ever for dog behavior issues.
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Bjbauer
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've heard the same thing about flea and tick meds on puppies. Just to be safe don't. And for what it's worth Frontline is a better bet for the future. We had my sisters dog for a couple of weeks this past summer treated with Advantix and our dogs treated with Frontline and my sisters dog had several ticks. Ours none. In fact my lab has never had a tick that I can recall and she runs in tall grass and weeds everyday.
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Jugallo94
Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was told by my vet nothing until 6 months old just bathe her. We used Frontline and had no issues once she was old enough. Took her up to my hunting property and she bolted. Two days in the woods and not a single tick.
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Aptbldr
Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 06:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dawn dish washing detergent (blue) & water kill fleas (most insects) on contact.
And, cleans puppy stains from carpet, too.
: )
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Xl1200r
Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

She's 9 weeks. The breeder I got her from doesn't use any until 12 weeks and doesn't use Advantix, but she didn't tell me this until after I put it on her, and this is what my vet wanted to do. We live in a pretty flea and tick rich area, and late summer/early fall (especially with how the spring and early summer was) means they're out in force.

Keeping her indoors is not an option - she's not going to get house broken by staying in the house. Also, fleas will get in the house simply because my girlfriend and I go outside, as well as the cats.

I discussed the whole thing with my Vet and we are going to try Frontline next time and see how she does. She seems mostly back to normal today - very active and friendly again.

Dawn dish washing detergent (blue) & water kill fleas (most insects) on contact.
And, cleans puppy stains from carpet, too.


Dals have pretty sensitive skin and coats, and any dishwashing soap or bath soap will actually result in a chemical burn on the dog. You can only use real dog shampoo for washing with them.

The vet and I discussed it and we both agreed that
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And, cleans puppy stains from carpet, too.

And leaves a high greasy soap residue that is dirt attractive.
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