| Author | Message | ||
     Kyrocket |
Now Fox has picked it up. http://gretawire.forums.foxnews.com/topic/obama-wa nts-kids-to-spread-the-word-in-support-of-his-anti -american-agenda | ||
| Nukeblue |
just went to ed.gov & printed the document off. they changed the wording i noticed in the last paragraph. it no longer says to "help the president" or "accountable" | ||
| P_squared |
For those who are for this/see no issue/have no problem with this, can you answer a few questions for me? -When was the last time a President addressed all K-12 children nationally? -Where's the speech outline so parents can review & make an informed decision on if they do/don't want their children to watch? -Would you feel this way if it was another time, another President doing this? If Obambi ONLY talks about education and tasks the students to excel in learning, great. Show me the speech outline so I can verify it before you present more politics into the public school system without parental consent. If there's no preview for the parents to make an informed opinion on prior to the event, then respect my parental rights when I tell you my kids won't be there to participate. If my kids can't pray or have a moment of silence, then why should I make them sit still for this? | ||
| Reindog |
The Community Organizer is not acting presidential with this feeble attempt to indoctrinate children. The subliminal message is not too different from asking, "How can I help Dear Leader"? It takes a village. | ||
| Oldog |
he loves shooting and is pretty decent. Gabe is 6 and just started first grade 3 weeks ago... Now he's afraid of guns. I would enquire of the child gently as to why, if it was school related, I would have a confab, with the educators on this informing them they have crossed one of your boundrys further incedents may bring about actions on your part. they are to stick to reading, writing and math and geography, Further as a parent it is YOUR duty not theirs to teach right / wrong - personal responcibility. IMO safe and proper use of a fire arm is an excelent method of encouraging good judgment, and dicipline not to mention a great way to spend time with your son! their political indoctornation is not needed and will not be tollerated. } | ||
| Sifo |
It's supposed to be broadcast on C-Span at noon ET. You can bet that I will record it to see what is being said to our kids. I would encourage everyone to record it. Better yet if you are at a computer at noon ET get it live from http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/. Who knows, maybe the server will crash if it gets too much traffic. I told a friend about this yesterday and she called a teacher that she knows. The teacher told her that they had just been made aware of this that day (Sept. 2). He said he new almost nothing about what was being planned. The simple fact that they are already making changes to the "lesson plan" makes it clear that this was not well thought out. I don't even see where this is constitutional. The states have control over the school, don't they? Since when does the federal government set lesson plans for our local school? This is just one more overreach of this administration. This time going for control of our kids! I think it's time to read 1984 again. Orwell wrote that as a warning of just this sort of administration. It only took Hitler about 6 years to become unstoppable in Germany. He did many things that sounded like he was doing good for his people too. Every step gave him just a little bit more power. Just sayin'. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
We called the school today and they say they just started getting (a lot of) calls from parents today. I love the short notice, rush it through before anyone finds out, tactics that this administration is so fond of! We are expecting a call back from the principal today. If we don't get an assurance that our 5 year old will be excluded from this she will not be attending on the 8th. This has me pissed off beyond words and I hope it does you too. | ||
| Hmartin |
This from our local school district: "President Barack Obama has announced he will address schoolchildren on Tuesday, September 8. That day will be a regularly scheduled instruction day...[The District] does not have the technological resources to accommodate all of the schools at the same time, thus the speech will not be shown live. However, the District will make the speech available in the future as an instructional resource to be used in Social Studies classes as it is deemed appropriate to the district’s curriculum." In other words, you d**n nosy parents, now you won't know when or if we'll even show it until after we've shown it and graded your kids on it, so there. On the other hand, since a transcript or even an outline of the speech has not been forthcoming, maybe this way we'll be able to preview the speech and express our feelings about it to our school administrators before it's shown to our kids. That's some consolation, for me at least. | ||
| Kyrocket |
I talked to our principal today and he told me that they did not have the capability to show it at this time. I'm still keeping my ears open. | ||
| Crackhead |
How many of you were up in arms when schools were forced to teach abstinence only? Was is constitutional to force the schools to abandon thought and logic and teach from right wing values? How about making science class teach creationism. That really shows the separation of church and state. I know, i know, i just fed the trolls | ||
| P_squared |
Two wrongs don't make a right. Justifying behavior because "they" did it is wrong. I suspect you know that though. Do you have kids in public schools? | ||
| Crackhead |
Nope but 1 in the oven and my wife is a teacher. FYI the main streaming created by the "decider" lack of funding lowers the quality of education for the rest of the students. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
My taxes are payin for this? Single guy with no kids taking it out of the wallet again for stupid inane vacuous vapid cr@p. Save the Music! Save the Art! um how about reading, writing, and basic math? Watch public education closely, it is your framework for how successful government health care will be. | ||
| P_squared |
So, then do you think parents should have a choice in deciding what their kids are/aren't exposed to in school? It's a question you'll be asking yourself soon when you start considering which school your child will attend. | ||
| P_squared |
One last point: ...lack of funding lowers the quality of education for the rest of the students. Some interesting reading if you think funding is directly responsible for the quality of education, the source is wikipedia, so I take it with a grain of salt, but it does raise some very valid questions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Unit ed_States#Funding_for_K-12_schools | ||
| Crackhead |
Parents do have a choice as what their children are exposed to. But since i can't afford a private school and i can't force the public school to kick out religion. i have to deal with it and talk to my kid(s) when they come home from school about what they learned. Shit, i am more worried about what they learn from their class mates then what the talking head said on the tv. | ||
| P_squared |
...i can't force the public school to kick out religion. I find that hard to believe, especially in MD. I also find it hard to believe that you would willingly accept not becoming active in your public school (PTA, Board Meetings, etc.) when your time comes. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I know education has nothing to do with how much money you spend on it. Look no further than the universities. Some of the greatest minds of our history were educated in one room class rooms in rural america over a century ago, before the internet, before government funding, before no child left behind, we have not progressed in education, we have stepped forward in technology. | ||
| Crackhead |
well there is a higher teacher to student with IEP ratio now. So, the teacher spends more time focused on certain students per state requirements and less time on the normal students. | ||
| P_squared |
I don't dispute the student to teacher ratio and the impacts that can have on education. I dispute blaming that ratio solely on funding. I'd be interested to hear your input on this topic after your child is born & enters public schooling. Btw, congrats on the bun in the oven & hope all is well for your budding family. Those darn ankle biters kind of grow on you & you find yourself acting like a grown up & being responsible. The benefit is that they're FUN! | ||
| Dbird29 |
Here's a golden oldie. www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/03 /flashback-1991-gephardt-called-bushs-speech-stude nts-paid-political-a Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising' Photo of Noel Sheppard. By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive) September 3, 2009 - 10:45 ET As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school. In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students." Such was reported by the Washington Post on October 3, 1991 (h/t KY3 Political Notebook via Chuck Todd): Story Continues Below Ad ↓ House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school. The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' " Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. [...] Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs. Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits," Frost said, referring to Bush's threat to veto legislation to extend benefits. Makes one wonder if today's media, with the economy in what they've repeatedly called the worst recession since the Great Depression, will question Obama's use of education funds for his upcoming speech. After all, when you look at Education Secretary Arne Duncan's letter concerning this event, one has to assume it's costing the Department a great deal of money. —Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. | ||
| Crackhead |
I am already active in public education and use to be very active in boy scouts but that fell off when i went to college. It also depends on where you live in MD. There is a difference between the rich folk upstate and those in southern MD. My county made the front page of the Washington Post because of the religious nuts at graduation. This is the religious nuts i have to deal with. http://members.iquest.net/~macihms/Education/grad. html I couldn't find the original on the Washington Post website. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I am NEVER having kids. My family tree dies with me. | ||
| Oldog |
Crackhead what is wrong with prayer? I wonder about the manner in which the young man "walked out", How ever he was wronged by those who would not allow him back into the ceremony to collect his diploma, and further IF as the article indicated he paid for the privledge to attend a school function then he was wronged again, I presume that he did not intend to start trouble. If that was not the case, ie he was going back to "show them" then the authorities were wise to stop him. Its and odd state of affairs, I believe that Prayer should be permitted in school, and the 10 commandments are OK to display, While I do not agree with the moslem tennants, I am ok with islamic practices like head scarfs, prayer 5x per day and dietary restrictions. as long as any one group is not attempting to FORCE another to do some thing offensive to them. I find the Banning of prayer, and removal of the 10 commandments, yet teaching children about "gay relationships" unacceptable, would you want your 8 year old taught about "alternative life styles" it was tried here a teacher that I know ( a good christian lady ) opposed it and got it stopped. after re reading the piece I am left with the feeling that the young man wanted to start trouble, his money was returned, and he was given his diploma. the majority of the people in attendance recieted the lords prayer.. that prayer is about as inocuous as any thing can be. there was sited in the article that leaving a school function means you cant return to it. the article further states that he ( the young man) was agitated. (Message edited by oldog on September 03, 2009) | ||
| Kyrocket |
My wife is a special education teacher in the next county over, (b.s. in rec. therapy, masters in occ. therapy and a teaching certificate-special ed. K-5) and we are both active in our two school age children's education (first and third grade) the county we live in has maxed out the school tax but yet every couple of weeks our kids come home with candy, popcorn, wrapping paper, cookie dough...to sell to buy whatever the school needs. On top of that we packed in two grocery bags of supplies during open house; paper towels, wet naps, tissue, toilet paper to help the school out. Where's the money going? I'll tell you where it goes, superintendent retires then they turn around and give him a job at the bus garage doing zilch. Next one comes up, works five years as super, retires and gets a job in athletics. Most of the time making the same pay as when they left. That's where the money goes. Really chafes my butt they can't be voted out. Oh and about not being able to show the speech like he told me today at noon, well, we got a pre-recorded call about 4:30 stating that they WERE showing and if you didn't want your child to attend to send a note and they would give them an alternate educational option. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
"I find the Banning of prayer, and removal of the 10 commandments, yet teaching children about "gay relationships" unacceptable" I find all of the above to be out of place in public school. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
Our 5 year old brought home a letter from the school today. They have decided not to show the president's address to 3rd graders and below. One the bright side , the letter has a clear place to sign if you don't want your child to be part of this. I would think Obama might want to reconsider doing this at all. | ||
| Crackhead |
oldog, what the article left out was a group of the people that recited the lords prayer sat directly beside the young man. For one of the people loudly reciting the lords prayer, her child was sitting at the opposite sideline of the arena. I was there as part of the NJROTC unit. (Message edited by crackhead on September 03, 2009) | ||
| Texastechx1 |
when i was in grade school (like 2nd or 3rd grade) we had a big political week about the upcoming election between Clinton and Dole (i think it was Dole). the teachers were so left it was almost funny, i even remember this even though i was young. I'm 23 now and a conservative. I don't blame any of ya'll for being concerned, but i feel what i was taught from my dad has had a bigger impact than any one in the educational field... at least when it comes to politics. | ||
| Kyrocket |
 Texastech It should be taught at home by the parents, same as "the talk", knowing between right and wrong and anything else that needs to be learned at home. I don't know what your child situation is but every elementary graduation (which I'm opposed to) I go to you can almost pick out the parents, or lack thereof that aren't teaching their kids anything of significance except where to get the cheap beer and smokes. Lets just say I understand where the Kentucky stereotypes come from. |
