| Author | Message | ||
     Old_man |
Is the bottom line all that matters?? HERSHEY, Pa. Feb 15, 2007 (AP)— Hershey Co. is cutting 1,500 jobs over three years as part of a plan to scale back production lines and move some manufacturing to Mexico, the candy maker announced Thursday. | ||
| Ryker77 |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/258615.html?1171666335 Untill we Americans grow a Backbone we will continue to stay on the current path. More Iraqis voted than Americans. | ||
| Buellshyter |
Is the bottom line all that matters?? There are very few family owned businesses. Most are run by a board of directors that answer to the shareholders. Companies are very stock driven these days. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Want to keep the Mexicans in Mexico? Relocate all the American companies there for the lower labor costs.... That giant sucking sound you hear is Ross P's prediction. Hell I am retiring in out of country to get better value for the dollar. | ||
| Cixyx_pilot |
Soon nobody will have jobs to buy the stuff these companies make!!!!  | ||
| Kdan |
Yeah we will. We'll all be working at Walmart, making enough to buy the cheezy shit we sell that's made overseas. | ||
| Kdan |
I work for a global outsourcer, we take legacy computer processing from companies and run it for less than they could if they'd kept it. The only way we can be competitive is to cut heads. The company has committed $1.6 billion to the Indian economy in the next three years in the relocation of jobs from the US. I sit alone in a big ass room that used to be filled with people. They're all contracting or working for Walmart. Many of them have just dropped out of existance. No idea where they went. Probably to other places where they have computer jobs. I'd sure like to know where that is. | ||
| 5liter |
It's a race to the bottom and who knows when it will stop. | ||
| Cixyx_pilot |
Can I be the Wal-Mart front door Greeter? MY DREAM JOB!!!!!!  | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
just curious , union shop ? | ||
| Kdan |
union shop ? Me? Not on your life. IBM. We don't think anymore, we follow procedures. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
Our economy is based on a system where companies grow via a public trading system. When a company does well, the public (you and me) sees it as a potential money making opportunity. The company goes "public" and we all get our chance to make a few $$$ if we buy the stock. This company then has to worry about profit margins so that we keep buying the stock or at least not selling more than the other guy. This eventually means that the company has to make their product somewhere that a union is not demanding top $$$ in order to compete and get our investment $$$.. Too bad we really can't have it all... Seriously, do you think anyone would make more than $10 an hour if bottom line wasn't all that mattered? (Message edited by hdbobwithabuell on February 16, 2007) | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Bunch of Doom's day predictions in this thread, I see opportunity or we could all just give up protest that change sucks and say guess we have no other options. Just because these jobs may no longer be a viable career path in America there are plenty of other options that pay well. Geez if everyone had this outlook when computers first came out our country would have already tanked. People it is called change, we just can't be scared of it, if we don't adapt then we fail. Companies change and become more efficent that is the way of the world, no one here can tell me that our companies have not become more efficent every year since the 1800's, we just have to find our place so we don't become obsolete. Our country has changed from an Agricultural economy to Industrial to Tech driven and now we are moving to our next phase, what that is exactly well I guess we will all find out pretty soon. | ||
| Blake |
"Is the bottom line all that matters?? " No, it is not all that matters. But without profit or sales there is no corporation and no jobs at all. The object is to stay in business and make a profit, yes? If you want a job guaranteed for everyone take a look back at the old East Germany before the fall of the USSR and see how they were doing with that philosophy. Though not on the surface seeming to be at all compassionate, survival of the fittest keeps all the players fit and healthy in supremely efficient form in the wilderness. So too does capitalism and the free market maintain the corporate world in top form. Competition keeps the corporate world fit and strong. Take that away and you end up with a bunch of bloated sickly corporate sheep that the predators can gobble up at will or who are pushed from their grazing territory (market) by more fit competition. So then you'd have to protect your corporations against the predators and competition which would be... Communism. It don't work. (Message edited by blake on February 17, 2007) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Whooa there, communism worked fine. It just couldn't compete with good old fashioned "I want it now" capitalism. Who else would make 20 year harvest programs based on Vodka consumption? Want to guess the current price of Buell on the Show room in Moscow? Financing? Don't even think about it, Bring cash, (US Dollars) and an Igor to vouch for you for your spot in line. Actually I hear the market over there is expanding nicely.... I hear my job calling me " Come, come sell Buelly Ulysses in Siberia".... | ||
| Blake |
Not sure if you are being serious or what. Communism worked great if you like genocide and starvation. | ||
| Ducxl |
I'll be sure to add Hershey's to my list like Levi's and NEVER buy them again..Ever. The Hershey jobs are obviously there,so WHY relocate them to Mexico? More corporate greed.Corporations despise American labor. Who are we to want to feed and house our families? "Let them eat cake" right? | ||
| Buellshyter |
This eventually means that the company has to make their product somewhere that a union is not demanding top $$$ in order to compete and get our investment $$$. Some of you just can't stop with the Union bashing. Unions represent less then 10% of the workforce and have done so for years. Therefore, they are not the root cause of all your problems. Communism. It don't work. It appears to be working for the Chinese. | ||
| Aldaytona |
Wanna keep jobs here, start at the top, when those GREEDY bastages make 200 times* or more than the average worker, that's where the problem lies. Let top executives make a realistic salary and everything else will fall into place. Let's export all those guys to Mexico or Pakistan instead. (That's nicer than what I'd really like to do with them.) *according to Senator Webb. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Actually if you want to keep the jobs here stop working for someone else and start your own small business that employ others..small business employs more workers in this country than anything else excluding the government...so stop belly aching about a plant closing and take that skill you learned and make your own chocolate bar or whatever...right or wrong the exportation of jobs by large companies is not going to stop..so better pull together and make your own businesses | ||
| Old_man |
BUELL - AMERICAN MOTORCYCLES Do you care? I do.. | ||
| Ducxl |
I care...but many of the ultra capitalists here couldn't care less if dear Erik dials 1-800-COSCO to source his components. So long as their Buell is cheap. "let them eat cake" | ||
| Xbrad9r |
Old_man i care...and that's why i will never own a foreign car either... Ford Motor company (as of the last time i looked at the complete statistics) employs more U.S. auto workers than all the U.S. auto workers combined of all the foreign car makes. General Motors is also the same so if you take every U.S. auto worker that works for Honda, Toyota, VW, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, etc and add them together it still does not equal the total of Ford by themselves or GM by themselves... though that will quickly change because so many stupid americans (and i use that term with red faced anger) have two or three foreign cars setting in their driveways. Believe all the crap you here on TV and slap all the American auto workers in the face by driving by their house (which they will lose when they get laid off-because no one buys their products anymore) in your Accord or Camry...which actually came in behind the Ford Fusion in the latest car and driver test results. It is a shame that America is such a "melting pot" that no one cares about it anymore because for a lot of people its not THEIR COUNTRY anyway. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
Harley is a great example of an American company that was about to go belly up because of foreign competition...but we all know how that one turned around, because of the employees involvement and the incredible improvement in quality... Ford, GM, and Chrysler i think you are headed in the right direction, its time we show the world that our products are as good or better than anything on the market. I think Ford already has, now everyone needs to react to that. | ||
| Crusty |
Why does it have to be one extreme or the other - Capitalism or Communism? Unbridled communism causes individuals to lose all motivation and stifles creativity. Capitalism unbound leads to 12 hour days and seven day work weeks at barely subsistence level wages. | ||
| Xbrad9r |
who remembers when business' WOULD NOT open on Sundays and the ones who did were only 1-6 or something like that, because they didn't want to interfere with church times...i can remember as a kid, leaving from church to go to the mall and having to sit in the car a few minutes because it wasn't 1 o'clock yet and they hadn't openened the doors... i miss those days...and the sad thing is the are never coming back. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Xbrad9R those times still do exist. You just have to live in the right areas. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Actually it should read BUELL - AMERICAN ASSEMBLED MOTORCYCLES. Many parts are not made here, come on people, hardly anything is made here anymore. Everything is imported in and assebled here. So your banning American companies in a hope that the rest of the Americans lose their jobs because I guarantee you that the rest of the world is not banning their products because they are taking production out of the US. Only thing this will do is make the company completely leave American and be profitable else where. | ||
| Ducxl |
W-W-W-What??? Many parts are not made here, come on people, hardly anything is made here anymore. Everything is imported in and assebled here. There is NOTHING acceptable about that comment.NEVER give up,that's defeatist. And i'll buy from companies that employ and support MY FELLOW AMERICAN FIRST AND FOREMOST. The traitorous others can keep their crap. | ||
| Uwgriz |
Communism. It don't work. It appears to be working for the Chinese. I'd argue that it is working for the Chinese Communist Party (not to be confused with the government). In many parts of China, the quality of life for many people begs to differ. If you look around, you can actually see the general population's strive for a capitalist economy. (Message edited by uwgriz on February 17, 2007) |
