| Author | Message | ||
     Frankfast |
That's not Islam. That's poverty. Happens in all ghettos. | ||
| Aesquire |
I am against religious governance. I don't care if it's Shinto, Islam, Methodist, or Marxism. The wisest decision our founding fathers made, was to make a state religion against the rules. A good system don't care who you worship, if you live nice. An evil one does. I love Dar el-Harb. The Aussie was well spoken. All cultures are not deserving of equal respect. I freely admit to being a feminist, social liberal, and against slavery. Raping a woman because she dressed provocatively is not a sign of poverty. It's a sign of mental illness. It's insane. It's not acceptable, period. Any one using multiculturism as an excuse for that behavior is both misusing the concept, and proving it's falsehood. Rape is evil. ( I have an attitude about rape. & the lawyers that say "she was asking for it" are evil, soulless F^%$s ) (Message edited by aesquire on December 19, 2006) | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
That's not Islam. That's poverty. Happens in all ghettos. So do you disagree with professor Wikans remark that Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. | ||
| Frankfast |
Absolutely. And poverty breeds mental illness. How is it that most on this thread find Islam repulsive yet support a guy who is spilling American blood for , what he says, their right to democracy, freedom, and a better way of life. And yet you don't want them living next door. How LIBERAL is that! | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
I spoke with a guy from new york that lived in a heavily muslim populated area. During 911 he said alot of them were yelling and rejoicing about the attack. Those are the kind of muslims I dont want in this country. | ||
| New12r |
During 911 he said alot of them were yelling and rejoicing about the attack. Those are the kind of muslims I dont want in this country. And those are the muslims that are mentioned in the first article I posted. As far as the rape, I dont care what a woman wears or in what part of the world she wears it. A WOMAN NEVER ASKS TO BE RAPED NO MATTER WHAT!!!!! If these men cannot control themselves they are the problem. Give those women guns and train them how to use them and I bet rape declines in a hurry!! | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Give those women guns and train them how to use them and I bet rape declines in a hurry!! Well if your in a big city with more crime you cant protect yourself with a gun by way of concealed carry. Just ask people in new york, illinois and california. The large percentage of those people count on the government to take care of them. | ||
| Jon |
"Jon - Whose outraged? Some of my best friend are bigoted." You are. That's why you gasped with shock at my post and called me a bigot. Here's a name for you: silly. So what's it gonna be...Sunni or Shia. You might want to find out who has more holidays before you choose too. (Message edited by jon on December 19, 2006) | ||
| Frankfast |
Don't flatter yourself. You're just digging a deeper hole. | ||
| Jon |
Explain the "hole" remark. And the digging while you're at it. | ||
| Cochise |
There are two things I won't do to/for a Muslim: 1. Spit on/at 'em 2. Vote for them | ||
| Jon |
Well I can agree with that, Joe. As far as being allowed to demand the Sharia law in Australia or similar, they can go back where they came from. Or go to Frank's house. (Message edited by jon on December 20, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Bomber, Sorry, missed that. Frankly I don't know if Obama is muslim or what. I didn't think he was, but I don't know much about him. Feel free to correct the record in my absence anytime compadré.  You need your key to the BadWeB back? You are always welcome to it, and we need all the help we can get! | ||
| Blake |
To clarify, my islam comment above from days ago was in reference to Sean's (Rocketman's) previous post. | ||
| Lightning_bug |
I do not wish to offend anyone...so please understand the intent of my post. This topic really does not belong in a MC forum. Since it is here, I might as well chime in with a comment or two. Rather than spout hate and bigotry...try reading a book or better yet have a meaningful conversation with a Muslim or Christian or even an Agnostic to find some understanding. Blaming religion or lack thereof for problems is no different than blaming economic conditions or ethnicity for societies' woes. Not everyone in a ghetto is a gang member, criminal...as not all Muslims are fanatics, terrorists. Take off your blinders and use that quality education to see through the BS. Propaganda has been used by politicians for hundreds of years. Throughout time it has been the French, Japanese, Italians, Germans, Russians, and now Middle East. China is still on the radar too. If the elected leaders told us tomorrow that apples were dangerous there would be millions of "sheep" agreeing within minutes. Thankfully, there will be millions more questioning why and wanting proof. Why do so many in this forum try to offend and create strife? Tell me about your Buell, your great ride or horror story, the mysterious hesitation at 3200rpm, anything but more of this senseless school yard bickering. | ||
| Marhaba |
Jon Frank... keep it civil now will ya? I haven't contributed but once here, and I didn't think it would go this far as to be name calling and throwing sand at each other. First of all, I will say that many muslims preach the doctrine and ideals of Islam being a religion of peace; however, much of the behavior that I see exhibited here does nothing of the sort for me. The incidents in Cairo during Eid in Talat al-Harb square and the mob-like brutalizing of women and literally gang-rape of women, even hijabi women, was appalling for a society that claims both religious conservatism and westernized influence. If you're curious, just look on youtube for video of the incident. I live here, day in day out, and every day I'm subjected to whistles stares catcalls, "hey sugar, wanna f***?" and sometimes worse on the street. My own mother came to visit me here and when we were in Alexandria, I was felt up and grabbed by a soldier right in front of her. That whole experience scarred her and her entire perception of Egypt, not to mention my opinion. Many of the women here claim that the hijab (veil) protects their dignity from the lustful eyes of men, but time and time again, I've been shown that the responsibility for protecting dignity lies on men, not because I need someone to protect me, I rather need someone to respect the fact that I am not muslim, I choose to go without the veil and still am a human being with rights just as everyone is. It should be up to them to control their 'lustful desires' and not use it as an excuse to do as they please. Going back to my original point of those who claim it is the religion of peace are primarily those who are educated within the elite class. Ironically I just had this discussion with someone whose parents send him to AUC, undeniably the school for the richest kids in Cairo and the middle east, he was one of the Muslim elites who claims that Islam can get along with the rest of the world because we all have a monotheistic foundation to our faith. However, I am by no means, anti-muslim, even though it is different from what I stand for, my best friend here is an Iranian Shiite girl, and I go out with Muslims and am around them every day. Because I know what their beliefs are and I respect that, I still cannot get around the things that I personally see and hear and experience day to day on the streets. With the incident that happened to me personally though, and even though it was mild compared to the assaults in Talat al-Harb square, it makes me very skeptical that the 'lower classes' will be educated as to what the Quran really means when it speaks of the veil and the treatment of women. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
some people like to argue because they don't have anything better to do. that's typical for new yarkers. | ||
| Bomber |
I spoke with a guy from new york that lived in a heavily muslim populated area. During 911 he said alot of them were yelling and rejoicing about the attack. Those are the kind of muslims I dont want in this country. I would entirely agree -- these are not the kind of PEOPLE I want in this country | ||
| Bomber |
Blake -- don't desire the key, thanks for the offer, though -- I maintain Obama's faith is not on point in a political conversation, though I understand that many would disagree with me -- some small minded, ignorant people seem to be using another's faith as some sort of a yardstick for their suitability for all kinds of things me, I'd rather judge a person on their behavior, though that takes a little bit more thoughtfulness than some are willing to put into the conversation -- ah well, just shouting down the well, again -- seems to come over me from time to time | ||
| Court |
>>>that's typical for new yarkers. The nice thing about a small mind is you can store it anywhere. Glad I'm not a Californian and have to deal with that tan year round or a Texan and have to keep track of where I put the big 'ol hat. Al Gore - THANKS FOR THE INTERNET The amazing part is that there are some folks who buy into this crap. | ||
| Greenlantern |
some people like to argue because they don't have anything better to do. that's typical for new yarkers. No argument necessary, your statement is wrong. (now what to do with the remaining 23:58:36 hours of free time I as a"new yarker" have left in the day?) | ||
| Jon |
Marhaba, I like sarcasm and I don't mean to come across as uncivilized. I have muslim relatives in Pakistan and love them. In this discussion about Australia and similar situations, I don't accept hocus pocus in lieu of reality. But Frank as an American is very much entitled to his opinion. That's for sure. | ||
| Frankfast |
That's very big of you Jon. However, I don't need your approval but thanks anyway. | ||
| Court |
Plus. . . how cool would it be to run around getting to say . . . "Let me be FRANK with you?" | ||
| Frankfast |
Court - You'll never make it as a stand up comic. Keep trying though. It can only get better. | ||
| Court |
Me? . . a stand up comic? That'd be funny! Oh . . wait. . . no it wouldn't! | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't care if you worship Allah, Loki, or Betty Crocker. I refuse to be ordered to do so, myself. "When they came for the Jews, we did nothing...." It's bad juju. I don't want anyone telling me that I must not ride my Buell on a tuesday with a full moon because it offends the gods. Or, if they are rude enough to, I want to be able to reject that advise without having to kill people to escape. I know of no cult that has that idiot rule, ( tuesday, moon, Cyclone etc. ) but it will serve as a generic example of what kind of crud that a behavior modification scam that calls itself a religion imposes on people. This is not exclusively an islamic thing. The bulk of religious laws are meant to influence behavior. You can take guesses as to the morality of the writers by the implied desired outcome. If it's a matter of having a responsible approach to family relationships, honesty, and emotional control, Good! If it's an excuse to cheat others, ( not of our tribe ) lie for advantage, and give the shamans an emotional hook for a call to arms, Bad! Some religious rules have basis in observed fact. Dietary rules against eating pork make sense in a world without refrigeration & an understanding of parasites. I even agree with a few of the 10 Commandments of the old testament. Thats my opinion. It makes no difference if the bulk of ( say ) Goths are peaceful folk, if a vocal minority are both calling for, and committing, acts of vampirism. If Goths ran the country of Ruritania, and caused & financed vampirism in other countries, I'd bitch about Goths. If the bulk of Goths in my country did not condemn the vampire types, I'd be rightfully suspicious of them too. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I think saying "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn!" would be more fun and more the style of most of us as BadWeBbers. I know I wouldn't make it as a sit down comic either. (I can't stand long enough, or well enough to be a stand-up comic  ) oops, I did it again | ||
| Jon |
So these two seagulls walk into a bar. The first one says, "Death to America!" The second one says, "I'll drink to that", and the first one kills him on the spot because drinking is against sharia law. clap, clap, clap... Thank you, I'll be here all the week. Please remember to tip your waitress. See mommy I'm helping | ||
| Jon |
Drankly, fy mear, I fon't vive a famn! |
