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Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 09:13 am: | 
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Buell already IS there.They just export them to us for final assembly.Chances are,an American assembled Honda contains more parts sourced here...Yeah,Blake i commented on one of these again ....Which is why i'm now considering an R1 because "bang for the buck" they're unbeatable.Especially once you consider all the cash to attempt higher performance from a Buell... |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 09:25 am: |
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"bang for the buck" they're unbeatable.
Depends on what bang you are interested in Greg. Great bikes, let us know how you like it when you get it and bring it up to the dragstrip sometime so you can take it to redline in 1st without going to jail!  |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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Actually i'm not interested,just pointing out how going "Jap" can be a no brainer when you consider only the numbers.I'm currently in love with a "StreetBob"...Haven't craved a Harley in over 6 years.My last one was a modified/bored/stroked P.O.S. |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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P.O.S.'s always have the most character don't they?
I'm sure you will find new Harley's to be to your liking- make mine a Road King!
I like the Street Rod too, but while it is great looking and little quicker, it doesn't do anything else as well as the S3 I already have.... |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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"Street BOB" not the watered "Street ROD" |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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I know, I know, you said BOB, I'm saying I like the ROD.
If I had to pick a Dyna I'd go with the SuperGlide.... |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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Chances are,an American assembled Honda contains more parts sourced here...
As long as it has an american engine - that's what makes it for me... |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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Our engine cases are cast in Pakistan....And "assembled" here. Rev-Tech is completely Korean.. |
Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
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S&S is made in the USA I believe. |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |
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oh, allow me my fantasies. I love the bike... |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 01:00 pm: |
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Chances are,an American assembled Honda contains more parts sourced here.
Yes, I believe the bike with the most American parts is the Goldwing. |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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Our engine cases are cast in Pakistan....And "assembled" here
Sure about that? Any sources for that info? I'm not doubting you... just surprised, that's all... |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 05:27 pm: |
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S&S is made here. |
Jon
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:12 pm: |
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I was made in America from at least some foreign parts. |
Paw
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 05:32 am: |
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My computer was down for a few days and just got it up. Thought i would ring in hear. I try to buy products that are owned by Americans companies when ever possible. I could care less about where the parts are made for my stereo or car etc. But when it comes to OUR FLAG that is where i draw the line. 100,000's of men have shed blood or died for our flag. Which stands for freedom. And anyone who thinks different is a communist bastard in my eyes. It just made me sick to see made in china on our flag the flag my Grandfathers fought and died for. I was not surprised to see it just made me pissed off.
As for some mentioning of some imported products being made in America, That's fine it is helping Americans have a job. But the bottom line is. The over all profits do not stay here in the U.S.A.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Message edited by paw on November 01, 2006) |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 07:37 am: |
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"I try to buy products that are owned by Americans companies when ever possible. I could care less about where the parts are made for my stereo or car etc. But when it comes to OUR FLAG that is where i draw the line."
I like a man of conviction. Now go back to that breakfast buffet and complain to mom and pop about the flags they had on the tables. Stick to your convictions and tell them you won't come back until they start buying American made American flags on a stick.
Don't call me a communist. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 11:37 am: |
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How do you suppose the folks in foreign lands might be affected by their experience earning a living making American flags?
Hmmmm...
If only we could get those under the thumb/influence of jihadi-fascist islam publishing new Testament books.
If only we could find a way to have the victims of despots, tyrants, and their brutal oppression producing copies of the American Declaration of Independence and Bill of rights.
Hmmmmm. |
Jon
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
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Paw,
Your zeal is commendable but you're missing the point, brother.
For what it's worth, I really appreciated hearing the story...even though I do disagree with your conclusion. |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 03:07 pm: |
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I always found it annoying that the leather jackets they sell, even at the Harley dealer, with a big American flag on the back, are made in China.
Of course, it wasn't that long ago (like last week) some people consider it a desecration to even have a flag sewn onto the back of your jacket.
Let's talk about what they do with those little flags after their event. Do they just toss them in the garbage? That is a desecration, and may be illegal.
Title 1, Chapter 4, Section 8 of the U.S. Code ("Respect for flag") paragraph (k): The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning. |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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"...preferably by burning."
Quick funny story.
Years ago, some kid tried to make a statement about his rights and burned a flag in front of the city courthouse. He was promptly arrested and started shouting that flag burning was protected by the consitution and the police could not stop his right to express how he felt.
The officer explained that it was illegal to burn anything without a permit in the city limits. |
Paw
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 06:10 am: |
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Paw,
Your zeal is commendable but you're missing the point, brother.
Jon, I think you and a few others have missed the point here. If you look at my first post, the post that started this thread and second post. You will see i mention how the American flag is made outside our country!!! That is the point to this thread. So you have missed the point in here, brother. |
Paw
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 06:16 am: |
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Let me put it this way are the company owners really that greedy? When they import the only thing that stands for freedom? I feel the American flag should never be made outside the country. That is the point to this thread lets not go in depth with other products.
Oh yeah Ducx1 Don't waste you money on the R1. Buy the ZX10 it has kick the R1 ass for 3 straight years.
(Message edited by paw on November 03, 2006) |
Midnightrider
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 07:17 am: |
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My personal opinion - it's no big deal. I love my country and respect the flag, but the flag is just a symbol and I don't really care where it's made. By the way, nice thing for the restaurant owner to do.
For what it's worth, 24 years now in the military and writing this post from Iraq. And some of the young men and women who are serving over here - getting hurt, losing limbs, or dying over here - weren't made in America either.
I just try to keep things in perspective. |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 09:04 am: |
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"You will see i mention how the American flag is made outside our country!!! That is the point to this thread. "
Should the few flag manufacturing companies that might be left in the US stop making the flags of other nations? How do you feel about American flag manufacturing companies that make Chinese flags? Should they be closed down for making communist flags?
If a kid burned a Chinese made American flag, would you be less mad than if he burned an American made American flag? |
Paw
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 05:08 pm: |
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You are telling me an american company can export a chinese flag and sell it cheaper than they can? I doubt it. I highly doubt they make them show me proof. Who in there right mind would buy one in this country anyway, except the chinese americans and there are not enough to warrant making the flag to make a profit, they would just import it just like the cheap bastards did with our flag. Use your brain don't be a fool. Trying to make a statement to some of you guys is like pissing in the wind. Close this thread now. And i'm sorry i showed my patriotic side. Just wish more Americans here had some. Say what you want i'm done with this thread. Seeya!!!
(Message edited by paw on November 03, 2006) |
1313
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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Sorry for my delay in posting this. It's been a busy week... I found this MANY years ago and thought it was kind of ironic to see the original posting.
1313 |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 04:19 pm: |
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"Use your brain don't be a fool. "
That's always the plan, Paw... that's always the plan. |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 09:11 pm: |
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My mind is very troubled by all of the dialog i've partaken here.I don't wish to add more(edited).I'm just very troubled by all of this dialog that it has interfered with my ability to add all of the positives about my Buell experience.My Buells' perform wonderfully.I'm ....forget about it,it's not worth it.
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Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2006 - 07:29 pm: |
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Flag Etiquette
STANDARDS of RESPECT
The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:
The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.
Note: Most American Legion Posts regularly conduct a dignified flag burning ceremony, often on Flag Day, June 14th. Many Cub Scout Packs, Boy Scout Troops, and Girl Scout Troops retire flags regularly as well. Contact your local American Legion Hall or Scout Troop to inquire about the availability of this service.
Displaying the Flag Outdoors
When the flag is displayed from a staff projecting from a window, balcony, or a building, the union should be at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half staff.
When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.
When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
When flown with flags of states, communities, or societies on separate flag poles which are of the same height and in a straight line, the flag of the United States is always placed in the position of honor - to its own right.
..The other flags may be smaller but none may be larger.
..No other flag ever should be placed above it.
..The flag of the United States is always the first flag raised and the last to be lowered.
When flown with the national banner of other countries, each flag must be displayed from a separate pole of the same height. Each flag should be the same size. They should be raised and lowered simultaneously. The flag of one nation may not be displayed above that of another nation.
Raising and Lowering the Flag
The flag should be raised briskly and lowered slowly and ceremoniously. Ordinarily it should be displayed only between sunrise and sunset. It should be illuminated if displayed at night.
The flag of the United States of America is saluted as it is hoisted and lowered. The salute is held until the flag is unsnapped from the halyard or through the last note of music, whichever is the longest.
Displaying the Flag Indoors
When on display, the flag is accorded the place of honor, always positioned to its own right. Place it to the right of the speaker or staging area or sanctuary. Other flags should be to the left.
The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of states, localities, or societies are grouped for display.
When one flag is used with the flag of the United States of America and the staffs are crossed, the flag of the United States is placed on its own right with its staff in front of the other flag.
When displaying the flag against a wall, vertically or horizontally, the flag's union (stars) should be at the top, to the flag's own right, and to the observer's left.
Parading and Saluting the Flag
When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers. When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
The Salute
To salute, all persons come to attention. Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute. Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart. Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.
The Pledge of Allegiance and National Anthem
The pledge of allegiance should be rendered by standing at attention, facing the flag, and saluting.
When the national anthem is played or sung, citizens should stand at attention and salute at the first note and hold the salute through the last note. The salute is directed to the flag, if displayed, otherwise to the music.
The Flag in Mourning
To place the flag at half staff, hoist it to the peak for an instant and lower it to a position half way between the top and bottom of the staff. The flag is to be raised again to the peak for a moment before it is lowered. On Memorial Day the flag is displayed at half staff until noon and at full staff from noon to sunset.
The flag is to be flown at half staff in mourning for designated, principal government leaders and upon presidential or gubernatorial order.
When used to cover a casket, the flag should be placed with the union at the head and over the left shoulder. It should not be lowered into the grave.
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