| Author | Message | ||
     Eboos |
Had second thoughts, kill this thread. (Message edited by eboos on September 27, 2006) | ||
| Bads1 |
What did it taste like. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Hey I heard the same thing but that it was going to be either an E85 or a hybrid motor.  | ||
| Josh_cox |
Well in 2005, H-D passed two engines through epa testing in the softail chassis. They were not twin-cam 96 and 110 engines. There will always be something new. I'd rather enjoy what we have right now and get some good surprises later.  | ||
| Buellgirlie |
rumors always taste good....they're addictive too! D | ||
| Jon |
Chocolate is addicting too. | ||
| Blake |
Only 10 more months.  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
You pregnant then Blake? | ||
| Trojan |
This story gets a whole article in this weeks MCN, who say that the new 'liquid cooled' motor was spotted in Arizona by an observant member of the public. Apparently it had 'Sportster' written on the engine cases and still had push rods. When he got close he was told to back off as it was a prototype engine and they didn't want any photos taken. The article then goes into conjecture about a new liquid cooled motor being more suitable for Buell use etc etc etc The plot thickens.......The only sure thing is that the factory will deny it (Message edited by trojan on September 27, 2006) | ||
| Rocketman |
The only sure thing is that the factory will deny it And it will have pushrods. That's a given when one takes into consideration the RR. Boring. Old hat. Time to stop pissing around with antiquated tradition. The world has moved on. Buell need to ramp up into the real world of motorcycling. Be bold enough to take two wheeled America into the 21st century, before Michael Czysz or the Korean's make fools out of them. Actually, Buell will only make fools out of themselves by sticking with traditional values and trying to encompass them into modern ideas. Nothing new there then. I guess the question is, are Buell content with their home market or do they want to play on the worlds playing field. Buells race program certainly suggests they're more than happy to hold station with what they've got so the home market will prove to be the norm. That will decide what Buell bring to market in 2008. I had a dream once. In the mid 90's I saw Buell as the American answer to Bimota. Their bikes were bold and different. I thought they'd continue to be so, but frankly I see the XB chassis as a quirky design of a simple beam frame everyone else uses. All that serves to do is suit Buells established trends as doing something slightly different. The XB's have had their day. Time to move on ans start acting like the American Bimota once again. Think exotic. Think innovative. Think different. Rocket | ||
| Glitch |
I have been informed by a very reliable source that I know nothing. (Message edited by glitch on September 27, 2006) | ||
| Xbduck |
 Why is it that a great number of people here are stuck on the idea that the next great thing is a water cooled engine? The way I see it Buell (the man and the company) have worked hard to take steps beyond tradition. Just look at the original bikes with the muffler under the bike and shock placement. Now look at the XB with its fuel in the frame, oil tank swing arm, and front braking system. I think we as a group may be selling the free thinking engineers who design our wonderful bikes short. I truly hope that when the new stuff gets here it is once again just beyond what people thought would happen. A water cooled engine would be reaching the status quo. I hope Buell takes that one step beyond. I know that a number of the thing that are on our bikes could be seen at different times on other bikes in history, however Buell was the one to put them together here and now on a production bike. I am looking to the future with wide eyes and great hopes. Until then I'll be here,  , and hopefully here, ,with some of you guys saluting what IS here and now. OK I'm done now.  | ||
| Xbduck |
For the short version of my post, to reference an old hunting adage, a bird in your hand is worth 2 in the bush. Glitch, how do you live with yourself.  | ||
| Court |
Interesting. | ||
| Naustin |
They should make an engine that needs neither air OR water cooling. Build the whole motor out of carbon fibre and other composites that don't conduct heat... And teflon coat everything so that it doesn't need lubrication either. | ||
| Bomber |
Rocket -- the world HAS moved on -- while it may be true that many buy bikes on their specsheets, others buy them for the performance (any one of a number of methods to measure that, from BHP to GrinsPerFurlong) Your chestnut about how Buell needs to move ahead into a new, bright, future has almost as much hair on it as the orginal sporty motor . . . surely you can create a newer version You recursively suggest that Buell become the US version of a failing, underfunded, underperforming Italian motorcycle company that makes wonderful machines (though the name of the company changes from time to time) -- is this a subtle way of wishing that Buell go into receivership, that the government come bail them out, or what? the LAST thing the world needs these days is another motorcycle company that's wondering if it can make it's payroll -- there are plenty of them, already -- Buell clearly isn't addressing your motorcycling passions these days (they are a little wide of the mark for me, as well, just as a data point), but Buell is selling well in Non-USA markets, growing it's business, anbd selling more bikes every year -- clearly, you and I are not the target deomgraphic for them right now, and it seems to be working for em ;-} | ||
| Tripp |
fascinating captain | ||
| Brucelee |
As I said in another post, who needs another 'ME TOO" bike? I just looked at the review of the new BMW R1200R. Pretty good stuff for a bike with an engine design born in the 50s. Oh, it also has ABS and Traction Control. I would like to see Buell continue to move in the "quirky but very cool" direction. | ||
| Shea |
"a bird in your hand is worth 2 in the bush" I think I'd rather my bird in hand with two bushes. | ||
| Blake |
"Time to stop pissing around with antiquated tradition." I agree, it's about time that the Japan Inc folks stopped making those tired old IL4 based sportbikes, and Ducati should drop the ancient Desmo valvetrain, and BMW should can the antique boxer motor, and Triumph should mothball the old three cylinder idea; it's past its prime, and Moto Guzzi is foolish to continue with the silly transverse V-twin idea; they all need something new, time to stop pissing around with antiquated tradition. They are all making fools of themselves sticking with traditional configurations trying to integrate them into modern ideas. The 100+ year old piston and cylinder engine configuration is so boring, old hat. Me? I would never ever cast Buell in such a dim perspective, mainly because to do so is entirely ridiculous. Buell is leading the industry in real meaningful innovation. I'm sure the future will also see continued that tired old tradition. | ||
| Daves |
True "insiders" would not be telling anyone, anything, is what I think. Real good way to either lose your job or lose the trust of the company if you don't work there. | ||
| Blake |
M_Grincheux, Moi? Non. C'est les bonnes gens de Buell qui disposent à donner naissance. | ||
| Blake |
"an all new powerplant has been in developement for several years " I wonder if there has been any time in the last two decades where that statement hasn't been true for HDMC. | ||
| Blackbelt |
oui oui monsuire como tallez vous? that is the extent of my french... I think the Buell innovations to date have been Excellent and well received by the industry. What every they come up w/ will certainly fill the nitch they have carved out of this granit rock side we call the motorcycle market. I say let rumors be rumors, and wait until july | ||
| Glitch |
What's funny to me is, Japan Inc. seems to be really proud of their MT01, a pushrod V twin. | ||
| Naustin |
How about an Electric motor. No need for a tranny - 100% torque at ALL RPMs and a 30,000 RPM redline. The motor could go where the tranny goes, and the hydrogen fuel cell could take up the same space and position as the engine. Or two fuel cells, maybe, shaped like a V... LOL. And a computer with a megaphone to re-create the right sound.... No that would live up to the Lightning name... | ||
| Bomber |
I say we lobby for a STERLING motor in our scoots -- very cool tech, and no one else has it! no, wait a minute -- I'm tired of dealing with all that pesky reciprocating tech in the valve train -- let's get some sleevew valves in there! | ||
| Court |
>>>Real good way to either lose your job That's a darned accurate statement. A great chance to step of to the plate and be the NEXT to loose their job over internet chatter. Times are changing, I got passes by the first SMART car I've seen on the streets of New York City yesterday. Buell has introduced some legendary products and done some fascinating things over the past 4 years. I am drawn less by the product, per se, than the process and people who provided it. The good folks within Buell has bolstered their forces with some incredible talent, proven they can roll out a relatively "Glitch-less" entirely new chassis and a race program sameultimeously and do some other incredible things. One, and you have to know how things work on the inside to really appreciate it, is getting service and parts manuals out at the same time new bikes roll out. Cool to now have in hand all 2007 manuals! In times gone by, it was sometimes a year (1999) before service manuals were available. We dreamt, in those days, about someday emulating the "John Deere Model",where a condition precedent to Job #1 rolling off the line was for a service manual to be sitting on the seat. Mission accomplished. The folks at Buell have proven they can accomplish things. That's neat to you and I, but a HUGE DEAL to the folks at Harley. I look for them to be giving the nod to bigger and bolder projects. I'm really excited.....not lying or exaggerating. | ||
| Sparky |
I agree with shelving the whole antiquated piston-engine/pushrod/SOHC/DOHC/desmo/foot-shift-gearbox technology that we've been saddled with for the last 100 years or so. Let's get on with something like a fuel-injected/turbo-charged/composite-cased/stratified-charged/ceramic-rotored/r otary-engined/selective-ratio-CVT. Oh yeah, as long as we're doodling on the clean sheet, might as well go all the way with electo-motive driven hubs for 2WD. Can't chance limiting all that power going through one wheel, can we? Well, this is the Sci-Fi channel, isn't it? | ||
| Glitch |
"Glitch-less" See I told y'all I didn't know anything. Court's a very reliable source, right? |
