| Author | Message | ||
     Pammy |
In my opinion...stress the 'my opinion' part, the definition of a real man isn't whether or not they can beat someone senseless. I think Gorillas have that mentality. As do other animals. A smart man can keep himself out of altercations. He can avoid being controlled by another real man(or woman). He is comfortable being a man and doesn't have to prove anything to anybody. I am married to such a man and I can't picture him getting into any of the situations described above (except for Bombers). Now Blake you leave Bomber alone...lefty or not, that's a real man. Anyway, I bet he's a righty when no one is lookin'...makes him feel naughty... | ||
| Court |
>>>>Can you explain to me how carrying a gun in the open is irresponsible? It's irresponsible and dangerous, particularly if you don't have the proper (and I don't mean marksmanship) training. You are likely to encounter somebody who's been shot 3 times and has a "significantly lowered" threshold of tolerance for veiled threats. I've seen weapons quite differently since 10:47PM on June 17, 1970 and adopted a Masad Ayoob sort of thinking. NEVER let anyone know if you own, carry or know a thing about handguns. By the time anyone if the world knows you even own one you should have fired the 2nd shot. Displaying a handgun, without the knowledge of when and how to use it, is the quickest way in the world to justify someone else killing you. I'm not asking you to agree with me, agreement is seldom a component of any handgun discussion. It's just very important that you have heard the view point. Three days in a coma changes your thinking. | ||
| Tramp |
OK: pammy: i never implied that winning or losing dictates 'being a man'. actually stepping up, without hiding behind the law, and accounting for things one-on-one indicates 'being a man'. please do not try to change what i said. reread my unedited posts. redaing you describing what being a man is is like reading me describing menopause. Blake: had i been spouting off about brandishing sidearms, playing cop by pulling people over, describing a desire to get people into court, etc., i would obviously be begging for criticism. jon issued a directive to me, regarding safety, on a thread regarding a run i'm hosting. big difference, don't yout hink? (I mean, beside the fact that i'm not a custodian, and therefore won't find unilateral backup on my points) | ||
| Odie |
Blake- I got it! I got a good laugh from that comment! All- I have a very short temper and it gets even shorter when stupid people are around me. I have found as I get older that it is easier for me to turn-off in a parking lot for a minute or two or accelerate away from the situation. I also carry but I feel I would end-up in jail if I really pulled it out even 1% of the times I've wanted to. I just try to get away from the situation. I think these days what really does it for me (and this includes most things I do these days) is I think about my wife and 2 boys and what their life would be like without me around permanently or in jail...... | ||
| Pammy |
Straight from left field..."OK: pammy: i never implied that winning or losing dictates 'being a man'." "In my opinion...stress the 'my opinion' part, the definition of a real man isn't whether or not they can beat someone senseless. I think Gorillas have that mentality. As do other animals" Dude, where in THAT did you get that I was trying to change what you wrote? But the biggest difference between the Apes and Man(most of 'em anyway) would be the gift of logical thought. The mind is infinitely more powerful than the fist if you can control it. Believe me 'man', you don't have to be born with a penile appendage to realize that. I don't know much about menopause either...but I am shocked to hear you insinuate that YOU don't know everything about it... | ||
| Don668 |
Nothing wrong with a Dojo. (8yrs. of Ninjutsu myself... (10yrs ago)Haven't trained since, but got me out of a lot of crap. Havent thrown a punch in about 10 years. Learned a lot about control. Anyway, personally I get try to forget and drive away. My XB will never win against a car. Had a car turn left across me and I was annoyed at "myself" that I did'nt expect him to do that. Watched a guy on a 250cc scooter brake check a BMW (twice) because he though he was cut off. I watched the whole thing as both of them tried to change into the same lane without shoulder checking. The guy in the car was truly sorry and backed off. The guy on the scooter just wouldnt let it be. At the next light I told the scooter guy I give him 2 months to live if he keeps driving that way... | ||
| Jon |
Tramp, It wasn't meant as a directive, just a well wishing and an encouragement. That was it. No directive, order, etc intended. By all means, go your own way. | ||
| Pammy |
"Havent thrown a punch in about 10 years. Learned a lot about control." Good for you, man. Control is what it is all about. If you aren't in control of yourself, someone else will be. Great advancement! | ||
| Jon |
Pammy when was the last time you crushed a man's skull? Metaphorically or literally. Inquiring minds want to know!  | ||
| M1combat |
""Havent thrown a punch in about 10 years. Learned a lot about control." Good for you, man. Control is what it is all about. If you aren't in control of yourself, someone else will be. Great advancement!" I agree Pammy. I can/do control myself. I learned that lesson from a guy I used to work with. I still work for the same place (goin on seven years now) but he and I don't work together. I've never pulled a gun on anyone and I've never struck first. I've never even said anything with the intention of trying to get them to swing first. When someone takes the first swing though... They get a return shot (actually I never "strike", even after being struck, there are much more effective forms of hand to hand combat that don't rely on strikes). | ||
| Pammy |
Jon, I likes to crush a man from the inside out...no tell tell signs...   I know to back off when the weeping begins... (Message edited by pammy on August 12, 2006) (Message edited by pammy on August 12, 2006) | ||
| Macbuell |
I've thrown a bunch of punches in the last ten years. . . . . . . . They were all during hockey games though and I went and sat in the penalty box for five minutes and then skated around like an idiot until the need arose once again. | ||
| Jon |
Pammy! I am pleasantly shocked by your response. This knowledge can only come from experience! You guys readin' this? We've been warned.  | ||
| Curtyd |
"I try to make a point of waiving all friendly like to motorists when they do something stupid, including nearly hitting me. I find it has more impact than if I was to abuse them. It gets there attention, lets them know that you know & I normally get a sorry wave back. I am hoping this then lets them learn from the experience & hopefully be more careful next time." That's my M.O. these days. It's funny how the guys with the most violent response reactions also have the most cagers "out to get them". HMMM... I guess under that reasoning Larry Grodsky should have been a deer hunter, but it probably STILL wouldn't have changed the outcome that fateful nite. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Getting shot hurts. It hurts your entire being. Shooting hurts. It hurts your entire being. Living with either doesn't put you on planet Happy Happy Joy Joy. Complete and total life altering event regardless of which side you're on (I guess if you're a full-on sociopath that doesn't apply, but I'm pretty confident that most Badwebbers are normal, or semi-normal, humans.) G2 | ||
| Lowflyer |
 "I'm pretty confident that most Badwebbers are normal, or semi-normal, humans." | ||
| Lowflyer |
Henrik said: "Remember the "Rule of Lug Nuts": the one with the most lug nuts win - motorcycles have none ... " I carry some in my tank bag for just such an occasion.  | ||
| Tramp |
don 668 said: "Nothing wrong with a Dojo. (8yrs. of Ninjutsu myself... (10yrs ago)Haven't trained since, but got me out of a lot of crap. Havent thrown a punch in about 10 years. Learned a lot about control. " don- i'd be the last one to say there's anythin wring with a dojo, being me and my older brother had to spend years in them. We both got away after 1st dan, me in shor in ry and ish in ryu, him in ish in ryu and, oddly enough, sport judo. the dojo is rarely the place to learn HOW to take a shot to the face, and how to become so accustomed to good face shots that one loses any trepidation regarding same when approaching 'situations' american boxing is FAR better for such a thing. further, ameican boxing experience teaches one not just to pursue fights one thinks one can win. some folks are incredibly badass when they get cut off by a female driver, but they pipe down when a big redneck in a truck does the same thing. there is no weaker syndrome out there than selective badassedness....and carrying/brandishing a piece in order to shortcut it is no better. there are far to many posters here who will attack the poster, regardless of what the poster says, just to pursue their strange online agendas. that's 'net life. anyone who thinks that someone should toss detritus at other vehicles, brandish a weapon at them, and pull folks opver, with one's gun, and hold them for the cops, has a serious john wayne complex, and should really consider other avenues of approach to life. | ||
| Eboos |
"there is no weaker syndrome out there than selective badassedness....and carrying/brandishing a piece in order to shortcut it is no better." LOL, that was too good not to repeat. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Okay. Damn, I was kidding about the lug nuts. I don't even own a tank bag.  (Message edited by lowflyer on August 13, 2006) | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Lowflyer, You got me :-) Should've said something like this: "the Badwebbers that I've met seem to be normal, or semi-normal, human beings." Better? G2 | ||
| Blake |
Interesting discussion. Excellent point on the concealed versus open carry issue. Makes perfect sense to me Court. I spent significant time hanging out with Don (M1) at Daytona this Spring. He's an easy-going, open-minded, friendly, upbeat, affable and enthusiastic man. Some folks seem to have a tendency to resort to personal attack in place of meaningful discussion. My overly delicate ego sometimes leads me into that kind of poor behavior. I'm working on it. I hope anyone subject to my frail ego induced personal rebuttals can forgive me. I sure hope that I don't withhold my heartfelt views from anyone, custodian, sponsor, whoever. Be excellent to each other? Humility is rarely a problematic characteristic. I really gotta wonder for how many folks a valuable course of study includes becoming accustomed to taking a good shot to the face. To those non-sport-fighting folks who do find value in such study, I'd strongly suggest an urgent major change in environment. Besides, isn't it the good shot to the face/head that one fails to see coming that is most problematic? When prudent, I like the idea of pepper spray in lieu of a concealed handgun. I'm a lover, not a fighter. Be excellent to each other. Humility is good. The last time I was confronted by a big redneck, I nearly pissed in my pants. But that is a whole other story. Ask Lurch to tell you about it some time.  | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Last time I was confronted by a redneck he said...(altogether now) " Yew ain't frum around here are ya boy" Last time I was confronted by a Redneck with a gun was in '94 at a truckstop just outside Austin, I ended up losing my rag in the restaurant & yelling at his boss to do something about it before I took it off him & stuck it up his arse. It wasn't til after everything had cooled off that I realized what all the implications could have been & had a good attack of the shakes. That's one of the lovely things about Europe, people pull over when they see you coming up behind, not to block you but to let you by. Also it's illegal to overtake on the right, (except UK & Eire of course) but lane splitting is accepted in most countries. I don't have to worry about road ragers, just be aware of idiots, same as everywhere else. | ||
| Ryker77 |
How come we can say redneck but never allowed to say the "N" word. A racist comment is just that. | ||
| Cochise |
How come we can say redneck but never allowed to say the "N" word. A racist comment is just that. Here we go again, I am a Redneck, what are you trying to say? | ||
| Curtyd |
"How come we can say redneck but never allowed to say the "N" word." Might have something to with history and the common application of fatal outcomes the Rednecks had in store for the Black men of their day. Not exactly a lot of rednecks being invited to attend "necktie partys" over the years as the "guest of honor." It might make me a little sensitive to the "N" word. | ||
| Pammy |
"further, ameican boxing experience teaches one not just to pursue fights one thinks one can win. " Good parenting experience teaches one NEVER to "persue" a fight at all. I am happy to say that I will never need to learn to become accustom to recieving "good face shots". Never. I can't even imagine someone thinking that they would need to become accustomed to being punched in the face or anywhere for that matter. That just blows my mind. Maybe it's just my upbringing. Silly, is what it is...just plain silly. | ||
| Pammy |
"How come we can say redneck but never allowed to say the "N" word." Redneck has a social/cultural connotation. It usually is associated with someone who may be rascist. Nigger has a derrogatory ethnic connotation. The word itself is considered rascist. When I was growing up, redneck meant a farmer or clod hopper or hick. Someone who worked in the fields always had a red neck and a farmers tan. | ||
| Pammy |
Hey, by the way..My posts above are all my opinion. I am NOT trying to step on anyones toes at all. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Court, I couldn't agree with you more on the handgun deal. Several states have open carry laws. Those are the only states where you can read in the paper about people getting konked on the head and robbed of their handgun. Stupid is as stupid does. http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/reports/Reports%202006/073106robNewtonPatton .htm Thankfully, I can't relate on the coma thing. My thinking came this way naturally.  |
