| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
I take their mirrors off if we happen to stop at the same light. Pull up next to the car and give it a good punch with armored knuckle gloves. Sometimes when I'm just riding for fun I'll bring an HK USP in a thigh rig with me so anyone can see it. I bring broken bits of porcelain with me ALWAYS (tips of sparkplugs broken into small pieces). I'll flip them off ONLY if there's no way they can hit me quickly. I try to just be nowhere when I'm riding though. I won't start anything at all and if someone just merges into my lane or pulls out in front of me I just let it go. If they are a real prick though I'll let them know. I've had someone jerk their truck into my lane while passing in a passing lane (three lane) TWICE, I've had a guy throw a handful of change at me at 80MPH on a freeway, I've had bottles thrown at me, I've had ditzy bitches look me straight in the eye and then pull into my lane while traveling in my direction AND when on-coming, I've had old people just plain not realize that there's these things called red lights (or motorcycles for that matter), I've watched people fall asleep at the wheel RIGHT in front of me (I give those ones the thumbs up), I've had people wait until I'm looking in my mirror and checking my blindspot to jam on the brakes, I've had people put their cars in reverse on a downhill slope with me behind them and expect me to move, I've had people pull into my lane on-coming to pass a line of 20 cars and never even THINK about getting back into their lane before I had to jump on the shoulder (that one was VERY lucky that my girl was with me). I don't pull punches any more. I ride nice but the moment someone decides they want to prolong a confrontation for more than just a flip off they get broken car parts. I pulled someone over in Minnesota with a pistol and called the cops once. I waited until they arrived. I never actually pulled it but it wasn't strapped to me and I was ready to. He had rear ended my sister on purpose and ran (he didn't realize the two guys in the little sport truck with the big engine was following her). | ||
| M2nc |
I find that if you are passing people in cages they try to almost race you. When they realize they can't stop you from passing, they move left into your lane a bit. I do not know why. When this happens I buzz their door. I have scared more than a few on the M2 with its louder exhaust into the dirt on the right side. If they get pissed off, I just make sure they can't catch me. After a while they realize there rage and the fact that a car will not catch a bike on the street. If they just won't give up I pull off the road and take another route. I had a guy in a Volvo force me out of my lane. He turned on his blinker looked at me and then slowly moved me out of the way because he did not want to get stuck behind a slower car in the right lane. I moved around him to the right and he floored it and did the NASCAR draft with the car in front of him. I lane split past the car in front of him and clear all traffic in about two seconds. I returned to my speed which had been faster than his because I caught him. Well now he was pissed because I passed him where he couldn't go so now the chase was on. I got a good lead because there were three or four cars in front of him and it took him a while to get freed up. When I saw him making up ground I just rolled on the throttle. When 80mph wasn't enough I took it to 100mph, then 120mph. No matter what he tried, I would not let him close the gap. When we hit more traffic, I got through it and he would get tide up. I would slow down back after each group of cars but he tried several times to catch me. Again, I would just roll back on the throttle and keep a safe distance. After about ten miles he got the point and quit trying to catch me. I returned to my speed and kept going. | ||
| Aldaytona |
Ah, the games, we've all played them without much thought. As we get older, most of us realize that with every game there is a winner and a loser.............. | ||
| Tbolt_pilot |
Invariably, I get cell'ers, grannies, @55holes, and cabbies that pull out in front of me or try and force their way in because I'm smaller. I have found that the finger is usually more trouble than it's worth but a good obvious head turn with the mirrored visor works to get their attention. Then do the two fingers pointed at my eyes then point at the side of my head....telling them to LOOK and THINK. It embarrasses them but won't give them any excuse to retaliate with anything. | ||
| Court |
>>>As we get older, most of us realize that with every game there is a winner and a loser.............. And that a great deal of the "tough guy" antics previously described in this thread are criminal. If someone cuts you off and you REALLY break his window, drag him through it and kick his ass, you ... not he, committed the crime. At least that's the way the Douglas County District Attorney sees it no matter HOW much they provoked you. Figure on roughly $9K in legal expenses (based on 2003 dollars) I avoid and try to ride smart so as not to get in a position where a car driver can exert any control over me. You learn that routing and riding in New York City. By the way...for the "finger flippers" in the crowd, don't miss the story about the young toughs who did that to Paul Castellano before his fateful dinner at Sparks. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I'd like to hear that story. Maybe it'll make me change my finger flipping ways. Typically if someone flips me off, I blow them a kiss. I have a feeling Paul Castellano didn't do that. | ||
| Bomber |
I wsa sitting at a red light last ight on my way home. First in line, over on the left side of the lane, as is my custom. Fella pulled way over into the right hand side of the lane, passed me, and stopped in front of me he then turned around and stared at me -- I shook my head at his childish behavior (like I was gonna hold up his 10-year-old beater mazda wagon when the light turned green), and he flipped a signle-digit salute in my direction now, maybe his sister dated a biker, maybe he was having a bad day, maybe he's just a habitual dickhead, maybe he's, like so many seem to be, feeling beat down by reality and his desaparately trying to gain some measure of control over the cosmos frankly, it doesn't matter to me light turned green I changed lanes (signalling and all) and rode home. if it wasn't for reading this thread, I think I likely would have forgotten about it by now ;-} I refuse to let jerks control my reactions -- if I did, they would win what is, in essance, a contest that doesn't have to take place | ||
| Court |
>>>>I have a feeling Paul Castellano didn't do that. He didn't. He politely asked two fellows, one whom I have frequent dealings with, to run the plate, find the two "yutes", collect them and bring them forthwith. They did and he spoke to them. One of th young tough guys stood there shaking with the pee running down his pants leg. I avoid. On the road, I've learned I need my time, my focus and my wits about me. | ||
| M1combat |
They say true wisdom is learning from other people's mistakes. I'm ok with that. I don't just flip someone off for the fun of it, I don't generally return a flip either. If someone flips me off THEN starts yelling at me and/or does ANYTHING with their vehicle that's even a little threatening... I defend myself. A number of times it's manifested itself in the form of a return flip as I leave that road, but I have no trouble with taking off someones mirror (I'm not sure who mentioned pulling someone out of their car) if they've tried to kill me. None. If someone is chasing me at high speed and I can't let them around (because they won't GO around...) AND I can't get away... I use the porcelain. If someone is chasing me and endangering my life and the lives of others there are a few options... I can stop the pursuit in the interests of defense, they can stop the pursuit out of the goodness of their own heart. I don't think it's a good idea to wait for them to make up their mind at 120MPH. I would have done the same thing that you did at that light Bomber. For sure. If the guy had spit on me on the way by, or shoved me with his arm stuck out his window, or clipped my elbow with his mirror, or got out of his car, or thrown something at me... totally different story. I'm telling you... I've literally had people wait until I am enjoying the scenic view on the northern portions of Hwy17 in AZ and then slam on their brakes. I wasn't tail gating them. I was probably 70' back. They were looking in their mirror right at me... The guy then started trying to run into me as I'd try to get around him. We slowed to about 5-10MPH at least 3-4 times. He was trying to bait me into going around him so he could try to hit me. I took the first exit on that one and called the police with plate, desc, location, approximate speed, my info... They said... "Well, it's basically your word against his and we didn't see him doing anything and we didn't specifically catch him...". Thanks... I'll deal with it myself next time. The reason I called the cops was because I was going to press charges. I would have used anything I could that would have put him and I in a court house together and I wanted to just ask him what I may have done to provoke what he did. I don't think I did a damn thing. | ||
| Skyguy |
25 years of riding and IMHO avoiding road rage is the easiest thing to do. Most of the time I will spot the driving behavior of a road rager even before he sees me and make sure I don't casue them any reason. I have found a silent pipe helps. Cagers get pissed off enough when someone splits lanes. The sudden blast of an aftermarket pipe can make people crazy. Obi Wan of the highway baby! | ||
| Tramp |
M1, you really have to calm down. wearing a firearm openly as a warning? chasing down drivers and holding them for the police, with your pistol? calling the cops? and this: "I would have used anything I could that would have put him and I in a court house together and I wanted to just ask him what I may have done to provoke what he did. I don't think I did a damn thing." it sounds like you feel the need to get people into an arena where the court will protect you from a much-needed ass-kicking, so you can hide behind the system. this sentence: "I pulled someone over in Minnesota with a pistol and called the cops once." really speaks volumes. you're starting to sound like an angry li'l fella with a serious john wayne complex...last i checked, your profile pic was a photo of a shotgun. what's wrong? if you look for trouble , it will find you, believe me. ps- i didn't 'rate' your posts...frankly, i like much of what you post...aside from your bizarre gun jones and your need to call the heat on people. your posts on this thread scream 'penile dimension issue' however. (Message edited by tramp on August 11, 2006) | ||
| Djkaplan |
"ps- i didn't 'rate' your posts." I did that. Throwing shit on the highway is stupid, especially when you have no idea who is going to get hit. | ||
| Eboos |
M1combat, honestly, I think that you may need to leave your firearms at home or sell them back to a dealer. Your inability to maintain control of your aggression or "turn the other cheek" is going to cause you to get into a situation that you do not want to be in. As a fellow gun owner, I realize that in order to keep our rights, we need to act responsibly. This is not a flame, this is a concern. | ||
| Chico33 |
Had to attend traffic school and the instructor gave us some good advice concerning confrontations, said to remember FIDO - forget it, drive off. | ||
| Tramp |
better yet, m1, KEEP all your firearms, they're always a great investment, and a decent hobby. just go out and join a boxing gym (NOT a dojo), and learn how to throw hands with other men, and get off this need to carry, need to display weapons, and desire to bring prosecution on others, and desire to confront others only in a court of law, behind the judge's robes.... trust me, the school of hard knocks would be great for you, and you'll likely learn to let things go. | ||
| Tramp |
djkaplan, i'm 5-starring you...good lookin' out, and great accountability. | ||
| Tramp |
m1- if you're really that angry with other dirvers, be a man, follow them to their next stop, pull up and offer to discuss it, and leave your guns at home. if you get your ass handed to you, oh well. that's part of being a man. displaying your weapons to unarmed citizens, and calling the cops, is not | ||
| Blake |
Bomber, you really messed up; I'll tell you why. You messed up horribly because it was obviously your turn to help equalize karma in the world that day and you shirked your duty; so you've now earned more than your fair share of good karma and let that buffoon escape absent his deserved portion of retrubution for all his bad karma. Global Warming may be all your fault. It's kinda like jury duty. So, it is now your duty to track down the buffoon and give him a good beating like he deserves. Do it quick please; it is hot in Texas and my yard watering bill is on par with the electric bill. | ||
| Blake |
Hey Jay, how would you feel if someone lectured you about how you should behave? D'OH.  | ||
| Jackbequick |
And always remember, when you give somebody your anger you are giving them control of your mind. That damn phrase has been haunting me ever since that anger management course the Navy made me go to in 1986. But they were right, get less angry, stifle it, contain it, don't let it distract you, and most often you'll come out either winning or feeling like you won in the long run. Jack | ||
| Sandblast |
Usually when somebody does something stupid to me, I just keep riding. I might accelerate away a little quicker than normal, but thats it. But the other day my wife and I were out riding after our anniversary and we had an incident. She was about 200 feet in front of me, going about 50 (the speed limit) when a mini van pulled RIGHT out in front of her. To make it worse the driver realized about halfway through the turn what she had done, panicked, and froze, blocking pretty much both lanes. My heart was in my stomach as I watched smoke pouring off Leah's back tire. She reacted perfectly though braking super hard, then swerving, and she made it. It was very close though. This thing happens to all of us, myself included, and it was an accident, but I lost it and screamed at the idiot lady in the van at the next light. She of course yelled back at me and held up the phone like she was going to call the cops (which would have been fine, since we were obeying all the laws). I dont know if I have a point, unless its that its hard being nice out there sometimes. | ||
| Sandblast |
So Blake I guess my slip tipped the Karmic flow back in order? You can stop watering so much now... | ||
| Swampy |
Yeah Blake, STOP watering! My potatoes are rotting! | ||
| Blake |
"when you give somebody your anger you are giving them control of your mind." Wisdom for sure.  Clarification: The "D'OH. " above is meant to indicate hypocritical sarcasm. On account of how often I find myself suggestion how others should behave. If you have to explain it...  Wish I were more funny. | ||
| Blake |
Funny thing, the lawn tractor sprinkler shut itself off earlier today before reaching the end of the line. Hmmmm... I ain't ready to let Bomber of the hook so easily. The man even proclaimed publicly that he's a swank leftie. He and George Soros are tight I tell ya. (Message edited by Blake on August 12, 2006) | ||
| Cochise |
My wife was at a stoplight one evening, I was at home. I told her to take her phone (long story), she was about to make a left turn when the light turned and a moron ran it. She honked at him, had no choice but to stay behind him to get to our house. He started driving a little eratic, then he slammed on his brakes, jumped out of his car, ran back and started banging on the window. Luckily, the kids din't know what was happening. She yelled through the closed window, locked door, get back, I'm calling 9-1-1. Luckily he left her alone. I guess she shoulda just jumped out of the car, leave the kids in the car, and whipped his ever-lovin' butt. I'll tell her to do that, so as not to get the police involved, they have better things to do. I keep telling her to be more of a man. | ||
| Jon |
What would Chuck Norris have done? | ||
| Cochise |
I don't know, but when Chuck Norris crosses the street, the CARS look both ways. | ||
| M1combat |
Can you explain to me how carrying a gun in the open is irresponsible? How about pulling someone over and keeping them until police arrive to deal with a hit and run involving two young children? He hit my sister hard enough to destroy her bumper and break a tail light. This on a busy freeway at 85MPH. I have an open mind and you just might be able to change it if you can make a good point. Just for the record... I've called the cops twice in my life. Tramp... Don't lecture me about how to be a man. If the guy had actually stopped I would have stopped with him and we would have had a great discussion. He never pulled over far enough or slowed enough to where I thought I could get around him without him having the ability to run me down. If he had stopped I would have almost certainly either won or lost the discussion or gotten shot. "You win a few and you lose a few". I'm ok with that. Maybe calling the police wasn't the right thing to do... you have a point. It's not like they actually gave a damn anyway. I made the decision to call them when I was passing heavy traffic that was doing 90MPH and I was doing 110-120. I decided I shouldn't be endangering myself and the people around me, let alone giving us bikers a bad name, just because some prick was being himself. I jumped on an exit ramp (I WAS kinda hoping the guy would see me and follow) and pulled into a gas station. No, I never flipped him off. WRT the school of hard knocks... Why wouldn't a dojo work? Maybe you haven't been to the right ones? I've been punched, kicked and thrown on hard floors (with no gloves or gear) more times than I can even hope to remember (maybe the shots to the head have something to do with it ?). I've had my ass kicked many times and I've stood up for myself outside a dojo every time I've needed to. I always took it as a good thing when I'd end a fight with either my own or someone elses blood on my Ghi. I still have a back injury from one of the schools of hard knocks that I attended. I got that injury only about three weeks after I decided to start learning. I stuck with it for about four years after that. I don't start shit, and I'm perfectly capable of walking away. When someone makes it clear that they aren't going to let me... Well... It's me or them. I have the guys plate number and I can get his address from it... Would it be responsible to pay him a visit? I thought not. On a lighter note... Yeah, guns are a great investment if you can get the right ones. I have a Winchester Model 70 Classic featherweight in 30-06 that's never been fired if you know someone who's looking for one . They're pretty hard to get. | ||
| M1combat |
"you're starting to sound like an angry li'l fella with a serious john wayne complex...last i checked, your profile pic was a photo of a shotgun. what's wrong? " Nothing... It's a great shotgun. The best IMO. It's absolutely brilliant fun to load it up with eight 3" magnum slugs and pull the trigger eight times as quick as you can (it can be done in under a second with pracitce). You literally lose focus . It's also a blast to actually aim at something 50' away and pull it twice as fast as you can and find the holes about 3" apart. It's a GREAT shotgun. I've owned two of them. Maybe not so much for sporting clays but I'm not into that game. I do like guns for sure and yes, I like the EBR variety the best. |
