| Author | Message | ||
     Jc000 |
Hey, After many years of pining away for a Buell, I've got my sights set on a nice clean-looking 2002 Cyclone at @ $5500 (from a dealer, not a private holder). I'm pretty ready to make the plunge, however a potential issue is that it has 23K+ miles on it. Does that seem excessive or even just high for an '02? Any issues I should be on the lookout for? The bike LOOKS very clean, but I thought I should run this by some experienced folks before taking the plunge. Thanks! | ||
| Djkaplan |
That's a premium price for that many miles no matter what the condition is. | ||
| Jc000 |
That's what I was thinking... I'm almost wondering if that was a typo... seems awfully high for such a 'well-used' bike. | ||
| Beachbuell |
One thing to remember is that these are Harley motors and although they are not bullet proof (close), they are rebuildable very easy. Meaning that a Harley motor with high miles does not mean much as long as it was properly cared for and even if it wasn't it is very easy to rebuild one with new parts, making it a near new motor. The things I would watch for on the older tube framers is the suspension. The rear shock is prone to problems on those models, many recalls on them. Also I would make sure the bike has had a 20K service and has been totally gone over by a BUELL technician. I do not think $5500 is terribly high priced, but I'm sure you could get them to drop $500 or so. Just make it a point and ask, the least they can do is give you a in store credit (for some goodies or service) for that amount or more. Overall the Cyclone is one cool bike. Good luck on your decision. | ||
| Ulywife |
My husband bought his 99 Cyclone in 2004 with 26,000 miles. This bike had been dropped at low speed on gravel (if I remember correctly). The only damage was a scratched mirror and air box. We paid ~$2,900 from a private seller off e-bay. BTW - the Cyclone now has 46,000 miles and runs great. I'd keep looking. With the additional $$ you can invest in new gear, helmet or upgrades you want to make it your own. (Message edited by Ulywife on June 29, 2006) | ||
| Tramp |
That's too much for that machine...period. walk away, there great deals to be had, out there. that is not one of them. | ||
| Pcmodeler |
Yeah, I know a guy that bought one last year with just over 20,000 and he paid less than $3,000. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
Buy a Cyclone!! "just not that one" | ||
| Blake |
I agree, for that mileage, that is too high compared to market pricing. Offer him $3200, settle for somewhere in between. Take a look at ebay and the bikes that have sold here in the classifieds. It helps to know what market pricing is on used bikes when you commence to shopping. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I agree with the others' opinons on this. 23,000 miles is fine for milage. I would PREFER that many miles on it over 605 miles! My X1 had the most problems in the first 18,000 miles. But they are asking way too much for it. Lowball their offer and bring in a wantad for a guideline of simialr model/year pricing. 2002 is a good year. | ||
| Jackbequick |
I'm not arguing, I'm inputting data or food for thought. The online Kelley Blue Book for Motorcycles shows the suggested retail on a 2002 M2/M2L as $5,380. And it says that the typical mileage for that year and model would be around 24,200 miles. So, by a respected and supposedly credible reference, the price is not that far out of line. But none of us want to pay that because we are always hearing about and seeing them sell cheaper on eBay and everywhere else. But mostly on owner to buyer sales. If we look at the numbers on my 2000 M2 it would retail for $4,555 and typically have 31,500 miles on it. All that said, I just sold my 2000 M2 for $4,500 and the mileage on it was was 6,200 miles. I'm happy with that, I recovered all I paid for it and a little more than I put in it in parts and accessories in the 18 months I have had it. I got a free 18 month test drive. I asked for $4,500 and the guy laid it down with no haggling. His brother owns a '99 Cyclone and he wanted, and got, a clean, good running Cyclone. Mine came with service and parts manuals, it had a set of new Metzler Z6's on it, was running perfect, and was very clean. I am missing it very much. Selling that was as much fun as shooting my horse. But I'll get over it. Jack P.S. I'm looking at bikes. I saw a really nice '97 FXD today. I mean really nice! Excuse me, I'm having some trouble concentrating here... | ||
| Tgroghan |
I'd like to think I cared well for my S3 though with 36,000 mi I went to replace the leaking rear base gasket. Once the engine was opened up the pistons were found badly scorched, tons of build up on the tops of the pistons and the heads smelled of burned oil. I was able to get all the parts for $625 from Buell, studs, pistons, heads. Gaskets I'll get elsewhere for the base. A rebuild is typical in the 40-50k mileage range from what I've seen. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Jc, I pretty much agree with all thats been said except that the 2002 M2's, which I bought, for the most part have all the upgrades and are usually trouble free as mine has been. More food for thought. Bob | ||
| Jc000 |
Hey guys, you have all given me a lot of food for thought... I have been looking at pricing for a while and I would agree that pricing is a tad on the high side, and ABSOLUTELY too high for the mileage. I'll see if I can't get it down. I really appreciate all the feedback, I found another cyclone that looks like a good deal(an '00) so if this doesn't work out I've got a pretty good (but far away) backup. | ||
| Crusty |
Jc000, there's an '02 Cyclone for sale at a dealer near me in Massachusetts for $2900. I was in buying an oil filter, and noticed it. For $2600 in savings, you might want to travel up here and buy it. With that kind of savings, you could buy a LOT of accessories and still be ahead. | ||
| Jc000 |
Hey Crusty, I pm'ed you... | ||
| Kano832003 |
A friend of mine is actually looking to pay about $5500 for a 2002 Cyclone. but he, like me, is buying his from a dealer and it's NOT used. Has about 6 miles on it. And it still comes with a 1 year waranty. That's about the same deal i got 2 years ago (with the exception of the $5000 dollar price difference). So i guess i would say you could find a better deal else where, but then again, it should have already had all the major problems with it fixed by now. could be a reliable machine. but i'd still keep looking, or get a better price. | ||
| Freeflyer |
I think about 4500 would be a good price as long as everythings been checked out and youve got new or close to new tires on there. of course it would be cheaper to just buy from another guy vs. dealer but usually the dealers have their mechanics give it a good once over which could be important if you dont know what to look for. I bought my 02M2 this spring from my friend he was going to get 3300 from the dealer it had 13300 miles and extended warranty till 2009. Im sure dealer wouldve wanted 5500 or better cause the warranty. I did have to put tires on right away. So with tires i was around 3700 but this was from a good friend giving me dealer cost. (Message edited by freeflyer on June 29, 2006) | ||
| Tramp |
having a harley dealership's technicians 'give it the once over' is not always a good thing. The odds of the thing ending up in tears, after a used purchase from a dealer, are very high, even at a good price. i know that dave steuve doesn't hawk garbage, but there are few others I'd trust. just avoid that situation and find a good private party sale machine, and run a service history from the VIN or the tag. (Message edited by tramp on June 29, 2006) | ||
| Djkaplan |
$5,500 for a new 2002 M2 with a factory warranty is a killer deal. | ||
| Tramp |
yep- and $5500 for an '02 cyclone with 23,000 miles is financial sodomy. | ||
| Road_thing |
"financial sodomy"  Tramp, you've got a way with words! rt | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I think he's HAD his way with words!  | ||
| Jc000 |
Well now that I got your attention, I came across a NEW 2000 cyclone for about 5000 with warranty. Is the 2002 significantly superior than the 2000 or is the '00 a safe bet? Sounds like the best deal to me... A new Cyclone, who could argue with that? (Message edited by jc000 on June 30, 2006) | ||
| Djkaplan |
The 2000 M2 has the SRP shock that needs to be replaced - supposedly when you buy the bike new, you can get it goodwilled from the factory if you request it while the warranty is active. The 2k model also my have the weak primary tensioner shoe that NEEDS to be replaced. 2k models also have a reputation for killing speedo sensors (mine hasn't yet, though). The rocker box gaskets will also fail, hopefully during the warranty. That's about all I can remember right now. I have a 2k M2, btw. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
A new '00 M2 for $5000? sounds good. If you buy it, make sure it's covered for all the recalls, & try to get them to put in a '06 bronze oil pump drive in the price, some 99 & 00 models had problems. | ||
| Tramp |
sounds like a nice deal. show up with cash and see if they'll take $4500. when they say they won't, then ask them to include an extra '06 oil pump drive and a mazola party with the owner's wife. you know...just to keep 'em awake. | ||
| Bookyoh |
Last Fall when I started looking for an S3T I found a dealer in Mississippi who still had new 2002 and 2003 Buells. He wanted too much for his new S3T so I wound up buying a used 2001. Anyway, I had called Buell Customer Service and they were able to locate new past model year Buells. Wouldn't hurt to call Buell to see if there is a new unregistered Cyclone out there somewhere. Mark Cincinnati | ||
| Tramp |
or ask for the owner's wife's cell#. | ||
| Jackbequick |
Hey man, back off! I don't go that way! Geez, I hope no one thinks my recently getting $4,500 for my 2000 M2 was a perverted act. It had the recall/upgraded shock and I added a factory tach kit. I also upgraded the primary chain tensioner, did the low speed carb mods, replaced the intake seals, replaced the paper rocker gaskets with the metal ones, and checked the oil pump gear (it was not wearing abnormally). It got a new battery last year, a new voltage regulator, the crankcase breathers were rerouted to a catch filter/tank, it had an AFT billet air cleaner with a K&N element, and the brakes were flushed this winter. The up and over shifter had been changed out for thee later style direct shift linkage and shifter arm. The rubber footpegs were swapped out for the later Buell aluminum pegs. It had a fresh set of Metzler Z6's. I also gave the buyer the extra clutch plates so he could replace his spring plate. I told him he should do it before long and that I will help him with the work if he asks. All the old parts taken off and changed were given to the buyer, the bike could be restored to 100% stock quickly. Even that hideous air box! And the guy took delivery on it with a fresh oil change (engine and primary), the K&N filter element cleaned and serviced, and it was washed and waxed and Looking Good. And I gave him the service manual and parts book. I had put about 4,000 miles on it this year and it never once stranded me or needed any work except routine maintenance. If there is such a thing as a reliable, good running, 2000 M2, mine might have been it. I think the deal was righteous for all. And I also think that the BadWeb deserves most of the credit for my being able to get that bike into the condition it was in. Without the KV and the members here it would not have been possible. Thanks very much to everyone! Jack | ||
| Cyclonedon |
I passed on a brand new 2002 M2 Cyclone with less than 50 miles and the full warranty for $4599.00 this summer at LakeShore Harley-davidson / Buell in Libertyville, Il. I ended-up buying a new Uly instead. | ||
| Tramp |
smart choice. that less-than 50 miles could mean demo. much damamge can be done when a machine is demoed during breakin. breakin is the decisive time for an engine's longevity and reliability. | ||
| Jc000 |
Wow, great advice guys, thanks! When I finally get the one that's right, I'll post pics. | ||
| Tramp |
for now I'll settle for pics of the owner's wife |
