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Blake
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This sucks.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9314629/detail.html

Anyone hear of any other such incidents?

He was only going 20mph? I'm very skeptical.


2005 GSX-R1000 Frame Broken in Half
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There was news out there last year about bad welds on newer gixxers. Porosity and poor penetration.

There's a discussion about this on the Willow Springs racing discussion board

http://ducatitech.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2531&highlight=frame+break

(Message edited by slaughter on June 08, 2006)
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Hattori_hanzo
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It snapped in half at 25 mph...after repeated wheelie abuse.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

- The bike hit a concrete wall at triple digit speeds. The forks literally separated from themselves, and the front wheel split the rim from all 3 spokes. Ironically the brand new micron exhaust was *untouched*, however this indicates at least to me that the majority of the energy was dissipated from bike-to-wall impact and zero tumbling.

(from the discussion elsewhere)
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There's a whole history of discussion over on www.gixxer.com about these. General concensus from last year is that the breaks were caused by high speed impact with walls and hard stuff. Don't know what a current discussion will be like about the link above.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


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Gearhead998
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My thought exactly Hattori_hanzo

Did anyone watch the video report on that sight? Yet again the media not reporting completely. Sorry, I do not believe that he was doing 25. if you look at the gouges in the road, and were he landed in the neighbors driveway, he was doing more than 25. He also would not have ended up in intensive care had he been wearing any gear. Who wants to place a bet on shorts, sandals and tanktop? Let alone how many wheelies and stoppies this guy has done. what a joke.

(Message edited by gearhead998 on June 08, 2006)
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Brineusaf
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

20-25 mph isn't very fast.. he seems to have "landed" quite a bit away from where the bike "gouged" the concrete. If he was moving his brothers stuff... why was he driving down the street?
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Brineusaf
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gearhead... I'm guessing sandals, low-rise shorts, thong... and a tube top... oh and maybe a bandana.
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Barker
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The story makes no sense. 20mph, yeah right.

I bet it looked more like this @ 40 +


cvgsdf
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Many detailed shots of the gixxer break with the visibly "iffy" welds.

http://www.1tail.com/2005_GSXR_frame/
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Shea
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just read a post made on another board of a member who wrecked his 2006 GSXR1000 and snapped the frame. Also claims he wasn't going fast, but whether they were speeding or not, it's still scary to see a frame do that.
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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The first reported incident, at least that's the way it was described when I first read about this happening, was to an 05 GSXR1000 that crashed heavily at a US race meeting.

I've seen first hand an 05 Aprilia RSV Mille that was involved in a heavy frontal collision. The bike was totally fcuked beyond recognition, as in smashed to pieces, leaving what was left of the motor in the frame cradles with the swing arm and partial rear wheel only as the remaining lump. What's interesting here was the headstock, as it had broken away perfectly clean (like the Gixxer frame) from the frame. I was told that this is common, as manufacturers strive to lighten the weight of certain machines. The answer is, don't hit anything hard!

Rocket
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Diablobrian
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a gixxer frame break apart at the head tube and behind the motor, but the
bike was not at fault. It was an 86, and a car hit me nearly head-on.





Here's a friend holding a chunk of the bike. note the mirror is still intact, even
though every spoke in both wheels and the frame broke.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's funny having crashed the Buell in so many different ways and having been around them being crashed at different speeds - it's been pretty rare that a frame isn't rideable (with dents) - and I'm talking tumbling end-over-end crashes at SPEED - that only break the triples and damage swingarm bearings and hardly damage even the forks.

I've broken 2 frames on the SV650 in not-too-scary crashes.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i may have mentioned this before, but when i worked for a triumph dealer in the 90s, the daytonas were recalled for frame weld issues. each frame, once stripped, dropped from a height of 4 feet, would shatter into 3-4 pieces. yikes.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm surprised that this isn't more common.
Aluminum gets more brittle with fatigue, right?

Those welds look awful though.
"cut along dotted lines"

I heard that XB frames are made with a shear point near the neck to prevent the fuel from getting out in a crash.
So the frame snaps in half like a grahm cracker but the gas stays in.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nate,

The triple clamps are designed to break.

Pic is of Jeff Ecklund's XB after he got off at over 130. Bike went end-over-end and don't know if you can see in the pics but the forks are nearly usable as is.

The swingarm hinge bushings got damaged so they put on a new swingarm.

Bike was ready to race in 2 weeks for less than $400 in parts (not counting fiberglass but including the hand and foot controls that busted)


(Message edited by slaughter on June 08, 2006)
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Jeff's wadded XB
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Sandblast
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow. Thats scary, but the easy fix is awesome. Neat.
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