| Author | Message | ||
     Ryker77 |
Speeding tickets FUND alot of LEA. My city will nail you quick for speeding. So does the city upgrade the 35mph limit since the road improved. NO. So the nabb people who go from a 45-35 zone. Thus your going about 11mph over. They even want to annex the city limits to include the interstate? Why? tickets? more $$$$ is nicer cars, HD bikes, new guns. Most cops should be called revenures. All they do is collect revenue. | ||
| Old_man |
Nut, I was a cop for 38years. The most important person you must earn the repect of is that person in the mirror. If you don't treat people as you would want your brother to be treated, even if he is an a-hole, you will not respect yourself or your work. You cannot take things personally. You represent the power of all the people in your community, not just yourself or your department. You must detach your personal feelings and look at every situation as a third party. If you do this rather than being angry, sometimes, you will be amused inside. And at the end of your career you can be proud of what you have done. | ||
| Skyguy |
I have had several cops lie in traffic court to, support their argument. If they will lie over a traffic ticket what else will they lie about. I also had two CHP's say I was evading on my motorcycle when I was not, NOT COOL! Thanks for the felony. I hope those two show more integrity in the future! I also have gotten more warnings than tickets. I ride with a CHP officer (yes we speed). I have had a couple of officers give me info they should not have when I got burglarized. People are people some good, some bad. Some in uniform some not. Everyone deserves respect until they prove themselves not worthy. As was told me once by a traffic judge "This is not about how fast you were going this is about your money".  PM sent. Thank you for understanding our need to edit this post. (Message edited by blake on April 09, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
I don't know a bad LEO, nor have I met one. I know lots of very good ones. Have heard of a few bad ones. Skully can tell you a good story about a bad one. My wife can too. Report them. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Yes report them. But they will protect there own. Had a problem with a state trooper. He was ? my military service and just plain out trying to provoke me. I am 210lbs lean 5'9" with very impressive lifts and Marine combat fighting. So I just smile at the jerk. My wife arrives on scene to get the groceries from my car. The wreck was wrapped up so I could leave. Told my wife to leave. I leave. Tropper stops my wifes and starts in on her. ONce agian calling into question my military service, attitude, and if I abused her!!!! She came home crying. Next day I call state headquarters and request formal complaint paper work. Start at the top and demand paper work! The trooper out right lied. And lucky him his mic was not recording properly. What the jerk didn't know was that the third officer on the scene was my buddy. Plus the other officer that was within hearing of this--- was an idiot so he told the truth. Report them. I know carry a small digital recorder. If I get pulled over all sounds get recorded. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Nut, I have been in law enforcement for 14 years. You can't let the jerks get to you. I know this is kinda hard when you are a street cop. Fortunately, in my line of police work (on the water) MOST of the people I deal with are just out having a good time and generally have only have minor safety equipment infractions. I treat people the way I would like to be treated, until they dictate I treat them otherwise. | ||
| Skyguy |
Paintshaker, You probally have to deal with more drunk a-holes than most. Tough job. I would love to be a cop! I would only give tickets to A-holes. Of course in todays society that would be a full time job!  | ||
| Taxman |
i work for county government. I’ve hung out with police officers while they were on duty, and while they were off duty. I truly believe that they have a very rough time of things. They have to try and do the right thing, and to keep people in line, all while being politically correct enough to not get in trouble. I think that skyguy was right when he talked about LEO’s when he said that there are good ones and bad ones. In my opinion a good LEO is someone that can see some sort of misdemeanor happening and realize that it is just a bit of fun and no one is getting hurt. And be kind enough to simply stop by, let you know “don’t get to carried away” and be on his way. I had this happen when I was having fun in an empty parking lot a few winters ago with my jeep wrangler. It was late and the parking lot was sheer ice. So my son and I were spinning the car and doing doughnuts in the lot. I also feel there are police officers that are horrible. Like the police officer in a nearby town that singles out kids on there way home from school and pulls them over and writes a ticket knowing they didn’t do anything wrong but also knowing that they won’t have the courage to fight it, or even if they do the judge won’t take a 16 year olds word over a 15 year veteran of the force. My job has quite a bit to do with the counties budget so I see a political side to ticket writing. If you look at a ticket when you pay it you should see a breakdown of who gets how much of your money. Quite a bit goes to the state, but some of it goes to the local county and/or city. In Michigan speeding tickets can vary in cost depending on what county your in. I’m here in Charlevoix county and here 5mph over will be a $100 fine. When I worked in Emmet county the fine was $70 for 5 over. Probably $60 of each of those tickets goes to state and other gov. agencies. Emmet county has a good tax base so they don’t need extra income that badly. Charlevoix on the other hand does. So they have raised the cost of speeding to pad their county bidget a little. Another thing that happens is government grants. Emmet county has a government grant that provides them with the salary for a police officer and a patrol car. However this is for the purpose of patrolling US HWY 31/131 which runs the length of the county. To show that we still need the grant the county must show cause for this. They do this by making sure they write enough tickets on 31/131 to ensure that they get the grant the following year. I’m not saying that police officers have quota’s. I’m just saying that if they don’t write tickets, the next time their union contract comes up for negotiation the county might not have enough money to give them that raise they want. This is all unwritten but it is an underlying theme which I’m sure can’t be for just northern Michigan. Sorry for the long post. p.s. I do not mean this to be anti LEO. I just like to buck the system, from the inside. This wasn’t meant to be personal. | ||
| Bomber |
most LEOs are a pretty good represenation of the society at alarge, I believe -- typically, my interchanges with em happen when I've doine somthing wrong (like cross into wisconsin with Ill plates {grin}), so there is potential for tension in the conversation -- I've run into some who seem to be trying to make up for some lack or another by acting, er, a bit aggressive, but these are definately in the minority, given my entirely unscientific survey ;-} they are saddled with a number of onerous duties, and view with suspicion by many, which could help explain the attitude of some -- like most folks, if I address them with respect and candor, respect and candor are generally returned can't ask for much more | ||
| Mikej |
I try to deal with people based on an individual basis, actions and attitude speak louder than what their job is or what they're wearing. (Message edited by mikej on April 10, 2006) | ||
| Mikej |
Got1nut, What is your opinion of the Code of Silence? Just curious. | ||
| Blake |
It is strange that some folks feel entitled to break the speed limit without facing the consequences. If you get caught doing 120mph, then you suffer the consequences. Don't care to risk the consequences? Then don't do 120 mph. The old adage seems particularly appropriate, "if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime." If we shouyld feel unfairly charged or judged, then we should file an appeal, whatever. It is never acceptable - as I informed Skyguy after having to edit his first such statement - it is NEVER acceptable on BadWeB to post a desire to see others come to harm. PERIOD! I'm no lawyer, but I just don't want to have to deal with such issues that might put the integrity and very existance of BadWeB in jeopardy. Just as relevant, when a custodian of the board asks us to cease and desist such commentary on the board after having taken the time to edit rather than simply remove our problematic post(s), well he/she might become perturbed and even more so should we respond with excuses and then blatantly disrespect their custodial related request. We certainly shouldn't be surprised to get hit with a suspension of posting privileges when behaving like such a disrespectful jackass. Might such behavior leaves room to question the veracity of our indignant tales of dealing with authority?  Some folks are always the victim. Move on with life! | ||
| Paulson |
You should ALWAYS take responsibility for your actions. It's just when a law enforcement officer tries to stick you with something that you didn't do that makes us unhappy. I have rarely had a good experience with local police (not that it is all that often  ), but state troopers have been fair to me. | ||
| Old_man |
Like the Tax Man, the policeman will never really be liked, but he is needed if our society is to survive. As a cop, I always knew this. Before Paramedics existed we were responsible for that function and at my first station we were trained and expected to help in fighting fires. It gave me great satisfaction to be able to help people, rather than arresting them because they had done wrong. Most people seem to have a fear of the police on the road because everyone makes mistakes driving, whether on purpose or not. Even I become extra cautious when I see another cop. When I first became a policeman in the sixties and seventies we were really reviled. I was called a pig daily. This was just part of the job and I knew I couldn't take it to heart. I knew I was helping to make things safer for everyone, and that was enough. | ||
| Ryker77 |
There is a difference between a cop and a revenu generator. Cops -- in general protect and serve. Most deserve respect and earn it every day. Revenue generators just write $$$ tickets without caring one bit. They look for easy prey. out of towners who will not fight a ticket. or cheap cars since they can't afford a lawyer or know there rights. Got a speeding ticket and went to traffic court --nearly all the people in there were--- probably a sandwhich short of a picnic. I drive a "teenager" looking car. Little does the officer know that I went to school for ultrasound and fully understand the physics involved in radar-doppler. Hope his physics is as good as mine or he will look stupid in front of a jury. | ||
| Skyguy |
When doing 120+ on a freeway everyone expects the potential of losing a license getting a huge fine etc. When does not expect LEO's to lie. Just a few weeks before I got popped a buddy of mine also got popped. He was fined 2,300 dollars and had to live with a conditional license for six months. That was what I expected.................. Most LEO's are good people. Some are not. It is they way of things. | ||
| Cochise |
I have a question, how do you Police Officers like being called a cop? I will always call a Police Officer a Police Officer, or Peace Officer, My mom always got pissed when I said Cop, so I quit. Anyway, I have had EXCELLENT experiences with the Police. I see no problem with a P.O. going a couple miles over the speed limit, I sure as hell will keep riding fast with one if they are with me on a bike (Get down here and ride wit me Hammer) I do have a problem with one that drives 20 over and gives me a ticket for 5 over (Haven't had that yet, but you get the point). My friend went to a local bar/club in the town where I work Friday, he went outside to his girlfriend's car to get her ciggy's and was asked if he'd been drinking, he said yes and was promptly cuffed and stuffed into the car to wait for an hour or so, finally taken to the jail and held until about 10 P.M. without a breath test, then finally let go. bung holes! Good experience I had, I was on a Friday Night Dinner ride with a local group I ride with. We were going about 80 in a 60, Depooty U-ied, we pulled over. I without my insurance card (Okay, didn't have insurance either, hadn't called it in yet, I lied)he said he rides a bike and hates giving tickets out to bikes so he says, if you guys promise to slow down, he'd let us go, we all said OKAY, in unison. Rereading that, the story sucked, true, but sucked. Carry on. | ||
| Raraf |
We have to type nice things about police here. Cops are the best ...(insert famous Triumph The Comic Insult Dog line here) | ||
| Blake |
Last Police Officer that pulled me over was an attractive young female. For once you'd think I would look threatening enough to be frisked. | ||
| Doughnut |
Whenever I have an interview I try to make sure I say "police officer", it just sounds more respectful. This last interview I had I slipped with "cop" and there did not seem to be an issue. I passed the interview and am now awaiting the next step. (One of my favorite pics)  | ||
| Cochise |
Favorite LEO joke: Have you been drinking? Your eyes are blood shot. You been eating donuts? Your eyes are glazed! ORRRR, "You drinkin'?" 'hmph, you buyin'? | ||
| Rocketman |
Someone removed my post because they failed to see any humour in it? Let me ask you all something. How the hell can you ask the question "how do you feel about cops" if some of the responses, which are without any doubt going to be some shouting "kill 'em all"? The cop that pulled me the other day and fined me thirty quid deserved me running down to the station and filing a complaint against her. She would, as is the nature of the (British) Police Complaints Authority, been thoroughly investigated, and for nothing more than just the one comment she made, which was to imply ALL motor traders were rogues, had her uniformed arse well and truly kicked, never mind what my actual complaint would be. I didn't waste my time in the end, but I chewed it over for three days, the bitch was that deserving. I'm standing on higher ground. Thirty quid on this occasion is small potatoes. Yes I hate coppers. Or at least some of them. End of the day, they all sit on the side of the fence that I find usually stinks of corruption in one form or another. One last thing Blake "if you can't do the time, then don't do the crime." Speeding is NOT a crime. Rocket | ||
| Hd_pwr |
most officers, true and good ones, treat you like you are treating them this explains why people who give officers bad attitude off the bat are always the ones who walk away with a ticket or a complaint. | ||
| Akbuell |
To Cochise- The term cop comes from the early days of uniformed police work, founded in London by Sir Robert Peel (hence the nickname 'bobbies'). When officers (constables) came to work, they signed a log, noting 'Constable on patrol'. That was quickly shorthanded to C.O.P., or cop. Context of delivery decides offensive or not. To Rocketman- You have the framework and tools to make the officer do what she should be doing; if you choose not to use them to make the system better, why complain? And yes, I was sworn in as an officer in Jan, 1973, and retired w/benefits in Mar, l997, so I have a little experience w/LEOs. Ride safe, have fun.  | ||
| Rocketman |
You mean why complain here? I wasn't. I was moaning. You mean why complain to the police? Why waste my time? The local force will target you in one way or another if they deem you have had a pop at one of them. That's how the 'corruption' works that I was talking about. For example, I might start getting pulled over for alleged motoring offenses, just to inconvenience me if nothing else. The police force is a close knit community, and they will look after one of theirs, right or wrong. Rocket | ||
| Rubberdown |
Rocket, in my area, simple speeding is an infraction while aggravated speeding (15+ mph over the limit) is indeed a crime and is treated seriously. I love speed but I detest speeding and try to avoid it (very difficult). I need more track time to keep the speed bug in check. | ||
| Genesisclimber |
I don't like them. Next question! | ||
| Spike |
Mike- Not to fan any flames or make anything personal, but how fast were you running on the way back from Daytona this year? Did you feel like a criminal for doing so? | ||
| Drift |
It depends on how they feel about me. | ||
| CJXB |
I do feel there should be more emphasis on investigation and enforcement of violent crime, and less on traffic enforcement. Me too, and add to that parking tickets !! I try to deal with people based on an individual basis, actions and attitude speak louder than what their job is or what they're wearing. I couldn't have said it better, I agree with mikej, who by the way is one of the nicest smartest guys I know !!  |
