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     Ryker77 |
Leprosy, a scourge in Biblical days and in medieval Europe, so horribly destroys flesh, faces, and fingers it was called Disease of the Soul.[34] Lepers quarantined in leprosaria sounded noisemakers when they ventured out to warn people to stay far away. Leprosy or Hansen's Disease was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted.[35] ,[36] ,[37] ,[38] Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states. There are leprosy clinics in New York City. Illegal Aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico.[39] ,[40] ,[41] 34. Saul Nathaniel Brody's The Disease of the Soul: Leprosy in Medieval Literature. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1974. 35. Walker P, Jaranson J. Refugee and immigrant health care. Med Clin North Am 1999;4:1103-1120. 36. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, www.NIAID.nih.gov 37. New York Online Access to Health, www.NOAH-health.org 38. Centers for Disease Control, www.cdc.gov/netinfo 39. Statistical abstract of the United States, 1996. In: The National Data Book. 116th ed. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census;1996. 40. Gavagan T, Brodyaga L. Medical care for immigrants and refugees. Am Fam Physician 1998;57:1061-1068. 41. Meyer M, Barron D, ImmigrantMedicine.qxd. [Read] 42. www.outbreaknewsdigest.org. 27 May 2001 | ||
| Ryker77 |
Terrorists are buying so-called "weapons grade" strains of disease organisms for bio-warfare. America risks devastation by evil intent of a terrorist or by innocent accident of an infected Illegal Alien walking through our foolishly open Golden Door. Illegal Aliens secret in their bodies invisible, deadly time bombs. Homeland Security ignores these lethal weapons of health destruction. Think about this next time you get coughed on at walmart. Or you want to eat a taco! | ||
| Oldog |
perhaps an accounting from the INS is in order. | ||
| Panic |
As I understand it, the amnesty for illegals (ooppss, sorry, "guest worker plan for the undocumented") will be offered to those who can prove residence in the US for 5 years? Let's dispense for the moment with the idea that people with no ID may make statements under oath (can be sworn), since the only witnesses who can attest to their identity are almost certainly disqualified because they are also illegal aliens. We are still left with a few interesting questions which should be posed to the applicants to establish their credentials and un-do any damage they have already caused to the American economy and taxpayers, which I'm sure will adamantly oppose as racist: You have been here for 5 years. How did you support yourself during that period? 1. "I worked off the books." Please file your tax return immediately, including proof of money earned, with full payment of the delinquent taxes, penalties and interest. Can't do that? Disqualified, return to your home country until this requirement can be satisfied, then re-apply by mail from home. 2. "I worked on the books." Please produce IRS-certified copies of your tax returns during that period showing that all taxes incurred were paid on time. Can't do that? Disqualified, return home until this requirement can be satisfied, then re-apply from home. 3. "I was supported by the charity of friends/relatives." Please identify these people as to relationship, name, address, phone and social security number, and sworn statements from them that this is true and the source of their money, and copies of their tax returns. Can't do that? Disqualified, return home until this requirement can be satisfied, then re-apply from home. 4. "I received public assistance." When (and if) employed, your pay will be garnished until the entire amount defrauded from public assistance as well as penalties and interest have been repaid. Won't do that? Disqualified, return home until you can re-pay the entire amount, then re-apply from home. Do/did you have minor children living with you and attending public schools? "Yes". When (and if) employed, your pay will be garnished until the entire amount defrauded from the school district as well as penalties and interest have been repaid. Won't do that? Disqualified, return home until you can re-pay the entire amount, then re-apply from home. Do/did you or any of your dependents receive medical treatment or prescription drugs without payment? "Yes". When (and if) employed, your pay will be garnished until the entire amount defrauded from medicaid as well as penalties and interest have been repaid. Won't do that? Disqualified, return home until you can re-pay the entire amount, then re-apply from home. All applicants must be fingerprinted, photographed, DNA samples taken (cheek swab) and sign a release as a condition of application consenting that if they are refused but do not leave the penalty is permanent denial of any status and 30 years imprisonment in the Aleutian Islands. That should shorten the list by about 100%. | ||
| Cowboy |
As I watch the news I am to understand that a large part of the american people still approve of open borders. Where do they get these No's? I want to know how many of you Bad Weber's have been poled? I never have. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Panic, I agree. There is No way the guust worker program would work. It would take years to go through 12 million illegal applications. Its allready been said it would take at least 3 years to work though the current legal applications. Then they would be able to start on the illegal applications. By then 3 more years of illegals would have entered and 3 more years of other legal applications. It would take a huge increase in man power to work through those applications. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Cowboy, here are some facts. Almost all Americans (eighty-seven percent) say they are concerned illegals will overburden government services, including 61 percent that are "very" concerned and another 26 percent that are "somewhat" concerned. Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006 Eighty-two percent say that the United States is not doing enough to keep illegals from entering this country. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, March 29-30, 2006 http://www.srbi.com/TimePoll_Final_Report-2006-03-31.pdf Eighty-three percent of American immigrant voters, or the children or grandchildren of immigrants, say illegal immigration is a serious problem. Quinnipiac University National Poll, February 21-28, 2006 Fifty-seven percent of California voters say illegal immigration is having a negative effect on the state. Field Poll, February 12-26 2006 Sixty percent of Americans polled say there are already too many people in the U.S. without adding illegal aliens. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006 Eighty-nine percent of Americans polled say illegal immigration into the U.S. is a problem. Time Magazine/SRBI Survey, January 24-26, 2006 Fifty-six percent of Americans polled say illegal immigration is doing more to hurt than help the United States. TNS / Washington Post / ABC News via Angus Reid Global Scan, December 15-18, 2005 Eighty-four percent of Texans surveyed consider illegal immigration a serious problem. Scripps Howard Texas poll, December 11, 2005 Fifty-six percent of Americans polled say Congress should be developing a plan for stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. and for deporting those already here. CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, Dec. 9-11, 2005 Seventy-five percent of voters believe immigration is very or somewhat important in an election. Angus Reid Global Scan, November 13, 2005 Seventy-five percent of adults polled say the U.S. is not doing enough along its borders to keep illegal immigrants from crossing into this country. CBS News Poll, Oct. 3-5, 2005 Ninety percent of North Carolinians polled believe North Carolina has an illegal immigration problem. John William Pope Civitas Institute poll, September 2005 81 percent of Californians polled said they are concerned about illegal immigration. Of those, 49% are “extremely concerned.” Field Poll, September, 2005 Forty-nine percent of Americans want immigration reduced. Only fourteen percent want to see it increased. Gallup Poll, July 22, 2004 Eighty-five percent of Americans believe that "large number of immigrants entering the U.S." is an important threat to the vital interest of the United States in the next 10 years. Of those, 50 percent believe it is a "crticial threat." Gallup Poll, February 2-12, 2004 Eighty-four percent of Americans worry about illegal immigration. Of those, thirty-seven percent worry a "great deal" about it. Gallup Poll, March 8-11, 2004 Eighty-four percent of those who voted in the California recall election believe that stopping illegal immigration is important. Of those, 40 percent said stopping illegal immigration is extremely important. 64 percent of those who voted in the recall believe that illegal immigration has had a negative impact on California. Luntz Poll, October 2003 Nearly eighty percent of Carolinians believe it's too easy to immigrate to the United States. 2003 Carolinas Poll, August 2003 Seventy-six percent of those polled prefer legal immigration less than current levels of almost one million a year. 58 percentof those polled prefer legal immigration levels of less than 300,000 a year. 86 percent of those polled believe illegal immigration is a serious problem. RoperASW Poll, March 2003 over 30 different polls from over 20 different polling companies. ALL have the same outcome. You can load a poll but you sure can't load every poll. You can take a look at this thread nearly all are for a secure border. Most are anti-illegals. Most all agree that LAWS should be followed. | ||
| Cowboy |
Better than I thought. I hope to hell our leaders pay attention. Now it is a nice sunny day here I am off to have a nice ride.Be back tonight. | ||
| Gearheart |
Two comment just to add fuel to the fire. The first is for skyguy. From what I can tell from your story is that it has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Its about corporate malfeasence pure and simple. those companies broke the rules and the government was slow in dealing with it. The illegal immigrants were a symptom of that and not a cause if not illegal immigrants it would have been something else. The second has to do with America the great. While I believe that we need to try and curb a great deal of the illegal immigration I want there to be methods for illegal immigrants to become citizens. Especially the ones who trek trough the desert, climb fences, and dodge militia groups. I want the hungry ones that will work hard and long for a chance to make it big in america or just make things a little better for their family. Not to be rude but screw the tired huddled masses I want the hungry, determined, hustlers. People who passionately want to be here. People who will risk death to get here. I want them I want people who when they finally become citizens will value it as they paid for the privilege in blood, sweat, and tears. And once they get here I will pay my dime so that they get medical care so that they get education. Are we America the cheap? Are we America the incapable? I don't imagine that anyone here would answer yes to either of those questions. So why can't we feed and take of the people that live here? | ||
| Ryker77 |
Yes we are incapable. We can not import 3rd world problems. Whats the current debt of the USA? If those "hard working" people are so great. Then why not be so "hard working" in there OWN damn country. Sure people need education. But them a book- tell them to read it-- in there own damn country. Did you skip over the disease that they bring over. Perhaps when your kid catches TB you might think different. Or when that illegal with no insurance crashes into you. | ||
| Panic |
My point regarding the 5 year history of illegals applying for amnesty was not the difficulty (impossibility) of processing/investigating these claims. During this period (despite self-serving statements to the contrary made by illegal apologists at every oppostunity) the illegals are not criminals merely because they broke the law regarding immigration (which they did, and they're criminals). The basic problem with pardoning their behavior and rewarding them for breaking the law is that they're: 1. thieves (do not pay taxes, use municipal and state services without contribution, bankrupt hospitals and school districts, overburden legal services), and 2. liars, who know they're not permitted to work, drive, own property etc. but do so anyway. I will cease faulting such behavior when I'm permitted to do likewise - or ask the people favoring immigration "reform" to pay my taxes (as they are asking me to pay those taxes owed by illegals). If these were American citizens guilty of the same things (welfare fraud, cheating school systems, working off the books) and someone in Congress tried to give them amnesty that person's political career would be finished permanently. Why do criminals merit better treatment than citizens? | ||
| Skyguy |
Gear heart,, You are right. Nothing else I can say other than it is the WHITE people actually causing the problem. remove the availability though and you remove the problem. BTW our local community has decided to take pictures of the WHITE boys hiring these guys and they are posting to a local website. BTW the local illegal immigrant workers in my neck of the woods have formed a "union". The rules are $15.00 an hour cash, a ride to and from the jobsite, a minimum of eight hours and lunch from some place other than McDonalds. WTF? I would work construction for that!!!! Where the heck is the deal in that? Anyone need a whiteboy ditch digger? I am confused and betrayed by my own country. Of course we stole it from other people so I suppose turn around is fair play....................... | ||
| Ryker77 |
Panic, don't forget. These laws False ID Giving False name to a cop Mail fraud Credit card fraud state tax fraud federal tax fraud | ||
| Roc |
http://media.putfile.com/Aztlan-Rising | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Guys, get over it... Our country had no federal limits on immigration before 1890. The country was wide open- if you could manage to drag yourself off the boat you were an American- no INS, Ellis Island, quotas, etc.. When did your ancestors (illegally?) immigrate to America? | ||
| Ryker77 |
Hmm that was }BEFORE we became a welfare nation. Before cars, before hospitals. People back then worked and PAYED for everything. They did not demand free food, health care, free money. Our ancestors WORKED and EARNED everything. Why? So there kids and family would have a better life. I can bet you that not very many of our ancestors would be happy with the current system. 1890 was over 115 years ago-- lots have changed. | ||
| Ryker77 |
1776-1819 6,500/yr. Average New Nation Tradition: The new nation was trying to populate Eastern frontiers. 1820-1879 160,000/yr. Average Continental Expansion Tradition: Immigration was used to encourage settlement of all frontiers from the Atlantic to the Pacific; driving Indians into reservations, virtually eliminating the buffalo/grasslands ecology of the Prairies and all but small tracts of Wilderness. BIG difference between 160,000 per year and 12,000,000 illegals. So when you wonder why our countryside is getting cut down, schools are over burdened, Emergency rooms are packed, roads are conjested and jail are filled. It's becuase people like you allow it to be that away. | ||
| Bomber |
settle down Ryker -- no need to attack folks -- if you're data's good, it'll speak for itself | ||
| Blake |
What Bomber said! Thanks Bomber! Might a more fair way to look at immigration statistics be to put it in terms of a % of then current population. The 12M illegals didn't all arrive last year, or even in the last decade. Current estimates are that around 500K per year illegal immigrants come to America. Not sure if all stay or some return to Mexico or other places beyond our borders. "Of course we stole it from other people" Hmmm... not sure about that. We purchased Manhatten Island from the natives. We purchased a lot of what is now America from the French. We fought Mexico for much of what is now America. We purchased Alaska from Russia. We did run roughshod over most of the natives and in that your characterization may be somewhat accurate. I just don't ascribe to the blame America first mentality is all. We're no different in our historic behavior than most any other dominant culture/nation. I'd say that to steal a nation would be more on par with what Germany and Japan tried to do during WW-II. Wouldn't you? | ||
| Ryker77 |
Blake I posted a picture of what the current % of American born natives and immigrants are. It was a huge picture. So I guess you missed it. So I'll add it again. You'll see how America will no longer contain Americans within my lifetime.  The green section of the graphic is the future that millions of Americans began to create in the early 1970s when they decided -- on average -- to have families at replacement size (about two children per family). But the red shows the extra population Congress added through above-replacement-level immigration. You can see that if Congress had allowed immigration at replacement-level numbers since 1970 to match the American people's replacement-level fertility, we would be living much less congested lives today. U.S. population would never have risen as high as it already is today. We would have to be building schools, roads, houses and infrastructure at a far slower pace. But the green on this graphic is a future that has been forever destroyed by Congress through its decisions to dramatically increase immigration numbers to force mass U.S. population growth at an unprecedented level. | ||
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| Ryker77 |
Do you really think that America can handle such a RAPID increase of people. Heck its hard enough keeping schools, hospitals and jails built to keep up. Not even accounting for fuel costs. From 1950 -1970 we had lots of undeveloped land and we increased by 50million From 2010 -2050 we will have another 110 million people to feed, house, emplyoee, jail, bury.. etc etc. Yes we need growth but not so rapid and for sure not from immigrants when we can CHOOSE to not be so fast. If congress slows the illegals and legal immigration down. Things will still increase just not as rapid.  The RED BLOCK shows the phenomenal population growth being fueled by the federal government's immigration policies. The red represents all the immigrants who have arrived -- or are projected to arrive -- since 1970, plus their descendants, minus deaths. Of the around 130 million people projected to be added to the United States by 2050, around 90% are represented in the red block on the chart. To find similar population growth in foreign countries, we must look to the Third World. (Message edited by ryker77 on April 10, 2006) | ||
| Ryker77 |
HOW DOES THIS GROWTH COMPARE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES? Nearly every advanced country in the world is moving quickly toward a stabilized population -- or already has achieved it. But Congress each year endorses immigration numbers that force the U.S. to deal with many of the same problems of rampant population growth that plague the world's poorest countries. This chart shows a future for the U.S. that will make it something of a freak among mature, advanced nations. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Bomber my data is good. But people don't like real facts. They spend little to zero time looking up the facts.. Just base there ideas off of what the news media hand feeds them. I what the facts tell me. I need to follow my advice--- if a wise man agruees with an idiot --- then who is the idiot. | ||
| Bomber |
Ryker -- I'm sure your data IS good -- (I'll not give the well-known quote about statistics) I was commenting on your style of attacking and laying blame on others who feel differently than you do, is all | ||
| Blake |
"New immigrants and their descendents" Please, virtually all of us qualify under that description. That graph is horribly deceitful on so many levels. See if you can identify a few of them. Good grief. If an engineer trying to support his particular personal view were to present statistics to management in that same manner, he'd be fired on the spot! (Message edited by blake on April 10, 2006) | ||
| Raraf |
Data is fun! Especially from data collectors who have been in AMERICA for a few hundred years compared to the 'illegals' who have been in AMERICA for a few thousand years. According to Georgia Senator Nancy Shaefer-(R) the real reason is: "50 million abortions have been performed in this country, causing a shortage of cheap American labor. We could have used those people." http://www.thehartwellsun.com/articles/2006/03/01/news/news05.txt So if you really want to stop immigration have some kids! | ||
| Oldog |
This place is about motorcycles and riding from my non custodial point of view, some of this borders on hate mongering. the non security of our borders is bad, the current government did not cause it and is not likely to be able to solve it as long as partisan politics rule the situation. LETS GO RIDING...  | ||
| Court |
  We gotta problem here. . . My wife's family all have birth certificates from foreign lands yet some of her family arrived before some of mine. These types of arguments, once logic escapes and emotion and the "what's in in for me" take over, are seldom won or lost, just argued. I'll be the first to say that if my family were suffering and all I had to do, to make a living was get across the border, you couldn't stop me. The argument will defying reason, I suspect the solution set will as well. Court You guys mess it up and make it so I can't get a cab I am going to be really ticked! Why don't one of the folks who are against immigrants come to New York City and ante of the $250,000 fee for a taxi license.  | ||
| Blake |
Zactly! Took five minutes and recreated your graph for you Ryker. Doesn't look so horrifically frightening any more does it?  Data, Honestly Presented, May Appear Differently |
