| Author | Message | ||
     Pupu |
there is no real way to do it, in my mind, you would have to declare martial law on the border. just put up a bunch of sniper towers and plug away. i hate to say it, but unless you make it impossible, or " deadly" to get over here, then they are gonna come. i pay my taxes- alot of taxes - to live here, and if someone lives here for free, it sucks. it isnt my fault that mexico sucks a$$ to live in, but i hate having to deal with it on a daily basis. i never plan on going there, but at this rate, looks like it is coming to me. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Could you guys take your racist rant back over to the KKK board... we have better use for this bandwith- like talking about Buells! | ||
| Skyguy |
MikeJ, My only beef with riding the roads around Coloma are the number of deer.......... Other than that a fine place to fly/ride! | ||
| Bomber |
Buelgrrrl -- while I find the repeated suggestions for killing border crossings abhorant in the extreme (and likely given voice by B.I.M. (Big Internet Men)), who have never been in harm's away themselves, I believe the debate is a bit more complex than racism -- while not latin (can't get more white bread than me, I believe), I know folks of hispanic origin on both sides of this discussion -- course, if the debate offends you . . . . . | ||
| Djkaplan |
It's been said already, but it deserves being stated again; put some high-profile employers in jail for hiring undocumented workers (of any nationality) and I bet it would stem the flow illegal immigration from all countries. If there is no opportunity here for illegals, very few would come. | ||
| Brucelee |
"Could you guys take your racist rant back over to the KKK board... we have better use for this bandwith- like talking about Buells!" I for one won't take the racism charge, thank you. Legal immigration is fine, there are MILLIONS of mexicans here in the US legally. I have NO ISSUE with any of them. | ||
| Brucelee |
"If there is no opportunity here for illegals, very few would come" Very true. If employing an illegal is illegal, employers should be held to task like everyone else. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I would also like to state something that no one has said - the people that take the arduous steps to legally emmigrate to the US are the smart, motivated people we need. Since we fought for and gained our independence, this country has been populated and built by immigrants from just about every country on Earth. | ||
| Kuuud |
Like many other areas in this country, we need to enforce the laws already on the books. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers the Ronnie Ray-gun days. A big deal was made then about the out of control immigration problem. The solution was the new laws that put penalties on employers for hiring illegals (for the first time)! People whined and carried on then but the only time it ever came up since then was when a couple of political appointees (whose names escape me) were found to have illegal nannies! Basically that law has been a joke for 20 years. Enforce it and do it NOW! Somewhere on a TV show recently it was (half-jokingly) proposed that all the troops be brought home from every country around the world that wants us out, and deploy them all on our borders...Hmmmm...Food for Thought! Bret | ||
| Davegess |
I will repeat let as many Mexicans who want to come come in legally. They are good for the economy. If you are worried about lost jobs and dropping wages you might want to contact our estimed President about China. Unfair trade with China is where the jobs are going. Not to folks picking vegtables or cleaning toilets. | ||
| Brucelee |
"I will repeat let as many Mexicans who want to come come in legally. " Interesting approach. Without a border to actually define and enforce illegal immigration, , the legal distinction is irrelevant. Go back and think this through. This issue is not simply, nor I would assert, economic. And it has economic ramifications, serious ones. For example, if we add 10 million more immigrants to the US next year, do they ALL get any and all social benefits accruing to our current citizens,. ie Medicaid,SS, Medicare, tuition grants etc etc? If so, are you paying for that, because I am not! | ||
| Cowboy |
I guess it is time that I left this conversion as it is getting political and finger pointing has started.There is enough blame to go around this has been going on for nearly 50 yrs both parties have been in power long enough to have done something about it.but to clear up 1 point I have worked in approx 80 countries and I can name 5 or 6 that I have been held againest my will at gun point. I kknow more than any one what we are in for. And as for as be raciel I am interacial married so dont start that crap. | ||
| Skyguy |
Cowboy,  | ||
| Brucelee |
Cowboy, First off, for me this has nothing to do with race or politics. My posts stand on their own in that regard. The issue is legal vs illegal. The questions is, and continues to be, do you want the US to be a nation of laws or not. The minute the law is simply set aside for the sake of expediency, the incentive for others to obey it is weakened. This leads to a pathway that can be seen in many other nations in the world, where the law means nothing! Think about it. | ||
| Superbee24 |
I love my BUELL.  | ||
| Voltage_vector |
Hey, my immigrant, U.S. Citizen wife says the rear seat on my Lightning is uncomfortable! Perhaps I should deport her aZZ!   | ||
| Cowboy |
Hey Voltage Mine said the same thing. But damn I got lucky she has a good job (works in finance) she bought me a new V-Rod just to ride her on. SHE is GREAT | ||
| Voltage_vector |
Cowboy, nothing wrong in a good old fashion bribe is there! Mine liked the 1000R Ninja Corban seat alot...oh the shame! Also her nice big 2nd income is always nice too...  Funny thing is she is MUCH more to the right than even me...I think most folks who did it the right way, and fought to do it in a non-illegal manor are much more pissed than many US born citizens, because they are the ones who are getting ripped off for their good efforts and proper intentions. This problem is not going to get solved in a couple months. And Cowboy, you are right...both parties have done squat about it so far, till now it has become a political talking point... | ||
| Blake |
"If you are worried about lost jobs and dropping wages you might want to contact our estimed President about China." Two issues with that. Lacking the cheap labor, American products woudl be rendered horribly overpriced compared to their competition. Under which President's administration did America bestow "Most Favored Nation" trade status upon China. There is no free lunch. We either compete and kick ass in the free market, or we don't. Can we talk instead about... illegal inhalation? How about... illegal interrelation? illegal distillation? which leads to illegal inebriation. Cause I'm tired of intoleration. Will you accept my invitation?  | ||
| Buellzebub |
warning not really immigrant related. why is it now, after decades of exporting and exploiting just about everthing, everywhere to further the American dream is it unfair when others do the same as you taught them? welcome to the world, it really is a tiny space | ||
| Voltage_vector |
I like that Blake...thats good! Only thing to do is take off and nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure...oh wait a minute, that's for the movie quote thread! Still seems to fit here also though... | ||
| Ducxl |
Is it a free market that allows Chinese citizens to buy Buells'? Oh wait...Buells' are ILLEGAL in China. Maybe we can talk about why Buells' are ILLEGAL in China? | ||
| Brucelee |
"why is it now, after decades of exporting and exploiting just about everthing, everywhere to further the American dream is it unfair when others do the same as you taught them" Huh? | ||
| Chauly |
If my grandson tracks dirt in the house, and my wife and I do nothing about it, either to correct him or clean up the dirt, what is likely to happen? He'll do it again. And, there's more dirt. let's say that this goes on for, say 2 years without action on our part. Can we then expect him to help clean house? Does it do any good to suddenly become angry about it? Do we punish him for all of the past dirt-tracking? We now have 12 million illegal immigrants in our country that should not have been allowed in or should have been deported immediately once found out. We have not "cleaned house", nor kept the extra people out. How do we suddenly declare these people (nearly all of whom are worthy additions to our economy) felons for being here illegally? Any law that is on the books and not enforced is a bad law, no question. All of these random thoughts, but the one aspect of all of this sudden concern (for the supposed negative effect of the illegal aliens) is this: IF we identify who these people are, AND we come up with a tamper-proof identity card that's linked to the person via fingerprint, retinal scan, or some such method, HOW LONG will it be before all of us have the same cards "attached" to us? We have resisted a national identity card system for so long now that the mere whiff of one sends chills down my spine. "Papiss? Do you have your papiss?" said the H.R. Director in the black leather trenchcoat... Nature abhors a vacuum, and that giant sucking sound is not our jobs going south, it's our economy drawing people in. I, for one, am extremely proud of a country that is still a shining beacon for the world. I have personally known people that risked their lives getting here from totalitarian regimes. They didn't wait for a visa, or fill out a form to request permission from their government; they LEFT! We said, "Sure, we'll take you in..." and granted them asylum. Now let me ask you this: "Why is a political refugee different from an economic one?" Let me also ask this: "How is a starvation refugee different from an economic one?" We have let many, many political refugees into this country under asylum conditions, and we have rescued many, many people from starvation in other parts of the world. Why would we say that a starving Ethiopian is somehow more deserving of immigrant status than a hard-working Mexican? Vexing problems, for sure, but we have to deal with 12 million people, somehow. I want all of them to be tax-payers in the system (like me!)that are also protected from sleazy employers that will stuff 12 migrant farm-workers in a cabin, charge them $500/month each for rent, and pay them a piece-work pittance. All under the threat of INS... My $.02, and flame suit is donned... (Message edited by chauly on April 04, 2006) | ||
| Viros |
It's the old American double standard, you know say one thing and do something different. And of course the country is founded on the double standard, that's our history, we were founded on a very basic double standard. This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free. Am I right? A group of slave owners who wanted to be free. So they killed a lot of white English people, in order to continue owning their black African people, so they could wipe out the rest of the red Indian people, and move west and steal the rest of the land from the brown Mexican people, giving them a place to take off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese people. You know what the motto of this country ought to be? You give us a color, we'll wipe it out! -George Carlin | ||
| Blake |
George Carlin has some good humor sometimes, but mostly he's a dour cynical jackass. You can say the same for nearly every culture on the face of the planet at some time or another. Greed is the cause. His type will always seek to blame America first though. I wonder what kind of house and what color his house folk are?  It ain't humor if it ain't funny. I totally dig his "stuff" routine though. Soooooo true. | ||
| Roc |
A coworker, on an X1, was hit by an uninsured/unlicensed illegal alien a few years ago. He wasn’t hurt badly, so it could have been much worse, but it was a bad deal for him financially. | ||
| Bomber |
Oooo, Ooooo! Illegal Inhalation! I can talk about that! Call me, Call me! | ||
| Brianb |
Isn't it illegal to throw moose out of airplanes in Alaska? Buells are Cool! | ||
| Buellbozo |
If I may paraphrase... A BUELL will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no BUELL.  |
