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     Newfie_buell |
I can understand Blake's point where its basically a dog. Man's best friend. The neighbors next to my summer home raise cattle and this past year their twins aged 6 brought me over to meet "Martin". Martin was this baby cow and was a friendly for a cow. The fall of the year came by and I asked the kids where Martin was, they told me "Martin was now in the freezer!!!!" I guess Different Cultures bring Different Types of Living. Just a few examples, Hunting Deer or Moose, Killing of Cattle, Anyone ever see how Chickens are Slaughteredl. For a couple hundred years We (Newfoundlanders) clubbed baby and grown seals primarily for their hides until the damm Green Peacers came by, then we had to use high powered rifles and shoot them in the head. The French and frog legs. How about the Europeans and the Whaling Industry for several hundred years using harpoons to kill whales - they did not die instantly but died more from exhaustion. Its different with every culture. | ||
| Kdan |
Good grief. It's just a friggin' dog. Go to a pig farm sometime. See if you still buy bacon. Food is food. Some people won't be happy until we're eating Soilent Green. | ||
| Oldog |
I think that it is ironic that a FRENCH animal rights group ia raising a fuss over this, with the recent spate of problems IMO they might want to get the BOARD out of their eye before they get the fleck out of China's, folks in the east have been eating various animals for quite a while, ( including dogs ) the above described treatment of animals is horrific, do lobsters/fish feel pain? Dogs most certainly do, and loss, ever whatch a dog when a play mate has "gone missing" as I under stand it poltry are stunned before being decapitated. So the methods for despatching dogs described above for food are cruel from my point of view. I don't have a problem with the idea of a boycott of china, right now WE need the Work any way. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
If you really think about it the killing of any animal is gruesome. I'm just glad I can buy my meat at the supermarket - to be honest. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Det. Thorn: It's people. Soylent Green is made out of people. They're making our food out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle for food. You've gotta tell them. You've gotta tell them! Hatcher: I promise, Tiger. I promise. I'll tell the exchange. Det. Thorn: You tell everybody. Listen to me, Hatcher. You've gotta tell them! Soylent Green is people! We've gotta stop them somehow! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070723/quotes | ||
| Dbird29 |
Det. Thorn: [Charlton Heston takes a cigarette from one of the girls at the party and smokes it] You know if I had the money I would smoke two... three of these every day. | ||
| Ghostrider |
We put a,what,3% tarriff on the chinese cars that ARE coming,and the chinese put something like 30% tarriff on our products? WTF! WTF is that the Chinese are smarter than us. We used to put tariffs on foreign products too. Why? To protect American industries. But over the last 30-50 years, several things have happened. One is the trend toward a "global marketplace". Well, that's a great theory, but not really working for us if we lower tariffs and nobody else does. Second is that our products were becoming overpriced, even domestically, and lower in quality. Why? In my opinion, it was the unions fault. Unions have priced themselves right out of their jobs. That's why their jobs are now in Mexico and China, where they can be done cheaper. Don't believe me? Just ask someone who used to work for GM, or Ford, or Pan American, or American Airlines, or US Steel. We shot ourselves in the foot a long time ago and kept picking at that wound until it got gang-green and fell off. | ||
| Vegasbueller |
Ghostrider said: In my opinion, it was the unions fault. Unions have priced themselves right out of their jobs. That's why their jobs are now in Mexico and China, where they can be done cheaper. Don't believe me? Just ask someone who used to work for GM, or Ford, or Pan American, or American Airlines, or US Steel. I work for an airline that is strictly non-union. Our pay to me is great. I manage to make ends meet and then some with a single income. My brother mechanics at places like American, Northwest, Delta, etc are all union and they make double and triple my wages. I have never worked for a union shop, but just from what I hear throughout the industry is that it (a union) does more to protect the slugs than it does to protect the ones that work their hardest. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Seals are dogs with flippers. Let's blame it on Canada!   (Message edited by lowflyer on January 30, 2006) | ||
| Skyguy |
Okay first I love dogs! In fact I like most animals more than most people. I have been "trained" by the society I live in to accept eating, cows and chickens and such. I hope they were killed humanely. I can not pass judgment on a culture that has had to scarpe for food scraps for most of it's existence. I do think the chinese are going to be big trouble for us one day as 60 percent of our consumable goods come from china. one economic embargo and we are screwed! | ||
| Seanp |
If this were a Chinese bulletin board, (yeah, right - with their outstanding record of "freedom of speech") then people would be wondering who the wacko is advocating rights for dogs. I'm sure that there are things that we do that pisses them off. It would seem to be a curse to be able to see both sides of something, but it's actually a blessing. I think those that can only see one side are truly cursed. | ||
| Captpete |
Great day in the morning! I just don't know what to do about this. That baby seal is so darned cute... I want to put my arms around it and love it to exhaustion. But based on a picture that Newfie posted a while back... I feel exactly the same about a clubber. What kind of a man am I? | ||
| Spreadem |
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| Newfie_buell |
Capt Pete, If you were a fisherman here on the island you would feel totally different towards that cute little animal. We are currently under a moratorium on Cod which has displaced literally hundreds of Newfoundlanders from their occupations. Other species are fished such as Crab, Lobster, Heering, Mackeral but it was never the same as the Cod Fishery. You can NOT even go jig a fish from the ocean for dinner without the Dept. of Fisheries charging and arresting you with illegal fishing. At the moment and for the past 15 years we have faced a shortage of Codfish. The stock has been raped, pillaged and plundered by the Soviet Union, Spain, several other European Countries and even ourselves. Factory Freezer Trawlers have left the oceans barren, then came the seals. I guess it was a good balance a 500 hundred years ago off our coast when it was said "You could lower a basket and pull it up full of fish". There were more fish than the seals could eat, then we came to screw up the system. Currently the seals are eating more fish and we are not culling enough of them to help the fish stocks grow. Its not even the baby ones that are hunted anymore but the mature adult seals. The activists always put up a picture as above to tug at the heartstrings of people. Trust me, have you ever seen a grown up seal up close - they are not that cute in the wild. That reminds me I think my father-in-law has a few seal flippers in our freezer these days, he is one person that truly enjoys seal meat. As for the dogs, I'd take a pass on that one. I don't agree with it but I'm sure there are cultures that don't agree with things we do either. Isn't this the picture you were referring to:  I got my wife one for Christmas and she wears it proudly. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
As for banning Chinese Products - Good Luck with That. I think China is going to be a World Power to Contend with in the next 50 years. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Just out of curiousity, I picked up 5 things on my desk. Clock Radio - Made in China Calculator - Made in China Plantronics Telephone Headset - Made in China Canon Digital Camera - Made in China Boston - Stapler - Made in USA That not buying Chinese is going to be very difficult. | ||
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| Lowflyer |
Blake, Boycotting China is like standing naked in the rain while refusing to get wet. Newfie, One of these days I would like to go up there and help with the seal problem. If it's anything like golf, I would probably have to work on my swing before clubbing any of them. You probably don't want to take too many mulligans in that sport.  It seems to me bowhunting them would be a hoot. | ||
| Bikergoddess |
Don't the Jewish bleed their animals to death? | ||
| Bikergoddess |
"I've been to a bull fight. I saw the bull badly gore a number of his antagonizers. I don't like bullfighting either, but at least the bullfighter is in serious harms way. I saw one bull earn a pardon. They don't beat a bull to tenderize it. They wound it, tire it out and put a sword through its heart. Still sucky, but no where near the inhumanity described in the topical article. " You have got to be kidding. They take Papa Bull out of his pasture and make him fight, but it's ok because the other guy might lose, too? *All* of them would have gotten a pardon if this weren't a practice. How you think it's not torture to know that you have to fight to the death, I'll never get... Laura | ||
| Honu |
Ghostrider says its the Unions fault, if you have such a problem with people making a living wage why don't you go to China and work along side them and earn what they earn. Let's look at this, Pro Athlete's making millions, CEO's making millions, etc... etc... What do you think a union garment worker makes in the U.S.A. Did they drive their jobs overseas and to Mexico cause they earned 8-12 dollars an hour? No the stock holders demanding higher returns no matter the consequences. How about safety on the job, will your Job kill you Ghostrider?? Do you think the Mine workers in West Virginia agree with you?? OSHA did not protect them!! | ||
| Lowflyer |
Easy there Honu, I am a stockholder. This is a free market. Everybody wants a return on their investment whether the principal is time or money. Everybody wants to part with the least amount of $$ for a given good or service, and everybody reaps what they sew. Union workers are not immune to a global economy. The unions need to stop trying to hold the dam with their finger and get competitive. It's like shopping. People will naturally go where the prices are cheapest for a given level of quality with the aim of getting the best quality/value for their $$. Businesses will naturally shop for labor where the price of it is cheapest for the quality needed to stay competitive. Unions must realize this and meet industry with either superior quality that cannot be refuted, or they need to undercut the competition with lower demands on wages and benefits. Coal miners in America are coal miners because that is what they want to be. If they don't want to be a coal miner, they should go to college, start a business, or drive a school bus. Yes, it is that simple. Anybody that wants to argue has not walked in my shoes. Lastly, there is no such thing as a "living wage." There is only a market wage. 'Living wage' is purely a political term designed to drive a wedge between the classes. Divisiveness and the ability to create animosity between groups of people is what politicians thrive on. That is why they create terms like 'living wage,' 'the rich,' 'working family,' 'big business(fill in the blank),' etc... WTF is a working family? You can look at CEOs and pro athletes all you want, but you can't change the fact that the receive whatever wage the market will bear. If you want those wages, you have to develop a niche for yourself. Safety? What about NASCAR drivers and MotoGP riders? How about astronauts? Did you know the odds for an astronaut to come back alive are only slightly more than 50%? Naval aviators work in a dangerous environment as do special operators in all the services. If you can't hack the danger, you simply pursue a different career. | ||
| Aesquire |
Kosher butchering is humane, I know, my granddad was a butcher. Yes, the cows, etc. are bled, Carotid artery, the knife ( blessed in kosher work ) is really razor sharp, they don't notice. The cow just goes to sleep. I didn't like the blood, but it's way more humane than the hammer method used before the factory electric system in current use. ( Pun intended ) Eat dogs? no thanks, but eat what you want. The beat the critter to make it taste better bit? I have issues with that. Any hunter worth the name wants a quick, clean kill with minimum suffering. China? It's worth the effort to try to buy American. It's just about not possible to avoid Chinese goods. Just feel good about raising the lives of the workers a bit, & ignore the sons of the generals that get rich I guess? I'm partway between Honu & lowflyer here. I despise the "cult of the harvard mba" that disposes of morals & the future for next quarter/month/second better profits as the be all & end all of life. It's a sickness that may be the root cause of at least 1/4 the worlds woes. 1/2 the woes are because of leftist, unrealistic "economic" (BS it's a religion in the worst sense ) concepts. ( see how happy the peasants are in communist lands! None ever try to escape in home made boats across an angry sea! The kindly leaders have no need to post guards on the borders with orders to kill anyone leaving the workers paradise! 100 million people were not slaughtered to keep the kindly leaders & their families in charge! ) On second thought, Screw China. | ||
| Blake |
So y'all don't have a problem with beating a living concious dog in order to tenderize it prior to killing it?  That is very bewildering to me. Just one more reason for me to despise people. Ain't no other way to put it. Y'all suck. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I agree. Screw China! | ||
| Spreadem |
Blake I don't think anyone has to this point said that they agree with or support beating an animal to death (except for the seal clubbers above). I don't condone it either, my view was only that I see abuse and human rights issues in Singapore, Russia, Thailand, Africa and many other parts of the world. It would be hard to boycott everyone who does something wrong. I think most people are just saying that it is a cultural thing, and that though it is definitely wrong, our society has it's problems with animal abuse as well. | ||
| Raraf |
Have you seen wolves, feral dogs or even 'domesticated' dogs rip into animals, humans or even other dogs? All they represent is meat that can do chores too! Chihuahuas crack me up. Their history is that they were used as 'guard' dogs to alert the Aztec home of intruders...they also made a great snack! No wonder those lil mofos are so nervous! "I let you know the jaguar was snoopin' boss...what are you doing with that club?" I have owned tons of work dogs when I was growing up. They all had the same name, Dog. My kids wanted a family dog...I named it Paco. Jack Russell mix (with Feces I think). I wanted to name it Tacos, if I got hungry one day...Tacos for dinner! C'mon guys at least compromise and admit that Toy Pomeranians should be used in stir fry. JOKING!!! (I think) Dachsund - The only dog shaped like its own poop. (Message edited by raraf on January 30, 2006) | ||
| Buellbozo |
If PETA reads this thread they're gonna picket the BBQ !! Sorry. | ||
| Mountainrider |
Blake I do not agree with the beating of anything not even some of the people on this forum. What I am saying is that you cannot boycott buying anything from China. Like I said before you will have to give up a lot of stuff on the Buell if you boycott China. It would be hard to ride it without those China made foot pegs. | ||
| Lowflyer |
Blake, Morality is in the eye of the beholder. I think that is the prevailing theme here. Chinese morality is not American morality is not Arabic morality and so on. I remember how shocked I was when an arabic street vendor would suddenly raise a price and take steps backward in negotiating for an item. The thing was, that is simply how they operate. What we hold as sacred, they see as completely negotiable and vise versa. I doubt you will find even one BadWebber that believes the practice is moral, but I think many of us accept it as a cultural difference, and a relatively minor one at that. If you want to pick on China, how about all of the needless abortions of female babies? For that matter, I don't think highly of cutting out a young woman's genitalia with shards of glass, but that's what they do in some areas of the world. I also don't think it's right for 30-something men to be married to 11 year-old girls, but the Godless somebitches do that too. I am much more concerned about those things than the fate of some dogs in China. So, yes, I reckon we do suck. |
