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Captpete
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am training under a fellow by the name of Rich Peare

Big Deal! I'm training under a coconut palm.

OK, I'm really leaving... It's 0530, and I just gotta get around this first cup of joe first.

Y'all keep this thread msokin' 'til I get back.

(That "msokin" is subliminal needling, Bomber. Every time you see it, you're one step closer to a commitment.)
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cap -- thanks, sir -- justt what I need, a cheering section ;-}
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Kevyn
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...ya, like Neil didn't learn anything about guitar playin' from Steven Stills, David Crosby or Graham Nash? His playing style is signature and as unmistakable as Clapton's or Townsend's...like a fingerprint, every player is unique and therein lies the beauty of music played by a human hand.

Agreed, to learn one must be taught. The highest learning is teaching another. Teaching is an evolution of the learning process. Teachers too, must be taught to teach and thus the learning never stops.
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Sandblast
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

LOL Capt Pete, my feet do look really big in that picture. Too bad the old wives tales dont ring true all the time...
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Sandblast
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buell Bozo- Mostly a fiddle. I like old Irish stuff and Bluegrass. I have not had very much formal training with the violin specifically, but I have in general music theory.

I know more on paper than it sounds like with an instrument in my hand, which is sad.
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Buellbozo
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That; cool...Theory is the key.

(insert 8 beat groan here)

As long as you keep pickin' it up,the hands will follow.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I tried to play a friend's violin a couple of years ago. It sounded like someone skinning a cat..., with a dull knife.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is getting Scary...Capt. Pete and Ferris on the Rock at the same time. YIKES

yeah, toss in a little Baby Bart and it's a sure fire recipe for mirth, merriment, madness and mayhem.

me 'n D can't wait. : )

Bomber, thanks for the heads up on the Cream DVD, sounds like one that needs to be in our collection.

Tripp, thanks for the heads up on the teaching aspect.

this has been fun. i've got my eye on a new Garrison G-25 in Minnesota that needs a good home. can't get it this paycheck, MIGHT be able to swing it the next, i'll post a pic or two when the adoption is complete.

anyone have a recommendation for a good "Learn to Play an Acoustic Guitar" DVD?

FB
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>anyone have a recommendation for a good "Learn to Play an Acoustic Guitar" DVD?

You don't need one. I've already sent you the best there is. E-mail me your proper address.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

cool, thanks!

you've got mail. : )
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Tripp
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

that's great to hear you found a good deal! wish you the best, and if you want to make the ladies (your wife) swoon, pick up an easy beatles book, there are a ton of songs that are G C D easy to play and sound great strumming, and everybody knows the lyrics!
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Jerry,

Thought you were riding here to get one?

Or are you gonna have two?
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks Tripp. : )
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Newf, my thought was that a ride to NL to see where Garrison's are made would be very cool. Chris Griffiths sounds like a great guy, and i bet he'd be honored that folks would ride there from great distances just to shake his hand and say hey.

i want to get a Garrison well BEFORE the trip, so that hopefully by the time i get there i can actually play the derned thing. i think it'd be cool if we could all have a little jam session while we're there, led by your daughter Elsa perhaps?

to answer your second question, yes, if the learning experience goes well, i may in fact have one custom-built (12-string cutout electric, baby!) while we're there, along the lines of what Capt. Pete was talking about earlier. how cool would it be to see your own Garrison axe custom-made before your eyes, maybe even signed by Mr. Griffiths himself? : )

in any event, me 'n D are serious about this ride. it seems like a long ways off, but it isn't, really, especially considering the logistics, physically and financially.

Newf, let's ink some dates, eh? late July is good for Crusty and Terri, and works on our end. what are the dates in August for the events in St. John's that you mentioned earlier?

we're still thinking that five days on the Rock is all we'll be able to manage, even tho we'd like to do more. this ride will be at least 30 days on the road for us as it is (plus the cost of a new guitar?), so we can't get TOO carried away...

FB&D
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Viros
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ferris I started out with the free samples on this site (http://www.guitartips.com.au/) and liked it so much I joined and became a member. I think after you try a few months of practice on your own and you learn some chords you'll be ready for a DVD. I bought this one (http://www.guitar5day.com/page3.html)and it helped me out a lot. I feel I got my moneys worth with both and recommend them even though both sites seem highly gimmicky. This is how I self taught myself then 9 months later I took my first class. Lessons help out a lot more once you spent months on your own and understand some basics.

As for great guitarists that never took lessons, they’re talent is no different than Nicky Haydens or Valentino Rossi, there a special breed and it’s just in them. I’ve recorded hundreds of tracks with local bands in my home studio and know tons of great guitarists. One of the biggest things I notice is great lead guitarist not being able to play the same thing twice. Why? one reason is drugs, the other is they were never taught the formulas and rely on ear and instinct more than fundamentals on how it all works that your taught with lessons.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks for the great advice, Viros! i've always learned best exactly the way you describe - do it myself for a while, kinda learn my way around a bit, figure out what i CAN do, figure out what i CAN'T do, then look to a higher power for help. by this point i'm interested enough to actually listen to (and understand) what the teacher is teaching.

works for me, anyway - thanks again. : )

btw, i TOTALLY forgot you had a recording studio at your place - how cool is that?!?!

here's a pic of my (potential) new guitar
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being test ridden by Carl Johnson, son of BluzM2 (Brad Johnson) here on BADWEB. i should know Thursday or Friday if this new Garrison G-25 has my name on it. a big thanks to BluzM2 and Carl for all their help.

FB
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is so cool . . I had never heard of Garrison before and I confess it's a fine looking guitar.

You'll do great and you'll have a ball!
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Kevyn
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court,

Now that we have FB safely tucked away on the acoustic side, do ya feel like openin' this up to 'lectric gittars?

So much information spilled out 'bout acoustics that I thought it only reasonable to explore the brain trust here regarding preferences and enthusiasm for the 'other side' so to speak!!

Personally, I'm lookin' at Fender Strats' and Tele's but I'm seeing Ibanez, Alvarez, Bentley's, and so much more...

What an interesting and exciting box of toys this is turning out!!
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can't go wrong with a Strat. It's got a pretty wide tonal palette and has that great history. Of course, I always do things the hard way, so I play a Telecaster - a 1996 American Standard with a rosewood fretboard.

I love that plank, man.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>Can't go wrong with a Strat.

That is an accurate statement.

I am playing and learning on an American Strat. The guitar, like the folks who made it famous, are legendary.

Few of anything in this world have stood the test of time like Leo Fender's Stratocaster.

Tommy Castro plays one about as well as anyone. He totes the thing about in a gig bag and it looks like it's been drug down a gravel road behind a pickup. It's the cat's meow in the hands of an expert.

Down here....yes, cleaaaaaaaaaar down here at the other end of the continuum, I have to tell you I am in love with my Strat. I'm studying jazz improv and even though you may say "ahhhhh E137 or E335", I find the Strat forgiving and easy to play. There's no fighting the strings . . . a Strat is a fine musicial instrument AND art.

Below are pictures of two Badweb Strats. Both, as in everything in the world of Buell, have spectacular stories associated with them.

Court's Strat


Paul's Strat


Court's E-335 on a bus!

Look closely . . . yep, it's a city bus. See the split in the sheet metal at the bottom of the picture and the windows in the top. I left hints of both, added a quote and framed it. I have an entire series of "musiciographs"
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Erik Buell and I spoke at length about guitars at the March Badness demo ride. He plays a Strat! There are photographs of a Friday night acoustic jam session with him on the 3%ers forum.
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm actually leaning towards a Special Edition Custom Telecaster with ash body and maple/rosewood neck in Black Cherry Burst...the Mexican Strat's are a real bargain but for a few bucks more, the Tele is more than enough to occupy my remaining time on this planet.

Anyone ever dealt with Sam Ash Music Co.?

http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0262000561

(Message edited by Kevyn on January 19, 2006)
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh yeah, the Niece is gettin' a nice Squire Strat with a real clean sounding Fender Jam Master 15. Found the amp at a pawn shop for $29.95--best/cleanest sound of four. Dual inputs!
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I'm actually leaning towards a Custom Telecaster with mahogany body, ash and rosewood neck in Black Cherry Sunburst..."

I still kick myself for not snapping up a Japanese made Fender Tele I saw at Guitar Center with that exact finish and rosewood neck- can't remember if it was a custom, though. The Japanese Fenders are really good quality and kind of kitschy these days.

My Am Standard Tele has a black finish with white pick guard. The colors remind me of a penguin. I play it through a Fender HotRod DeLuxe tube amp.
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've found one Japanese Strat...I've also found a 'relic' Mexican strat in Agave Blue finish and the price is really right as far as I'm concerned for what I've been seeing. I may have to go back and 'dicker' a bit; that blue finish is just retro enough that the 'kid' may thinks it's da-bomb!

Get this! My wife loves the guitar idea! Encouraged lessons immediately...nothing better than a green light for the on ramp!

Black guitars, black bikes...it's a supernatural groove
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

>>>>anyone have a recommendation for a good "Learn to Play an Acoustic Guitar" DVD?

You don't need one. I've already sent you the best there is.




And that would be???????? Name that DVD if you please. Thanks.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kevyn and Daniel, is the choice of wood in an electric guitar as influential in the sound of the guitar as an acoustic, or is it more an issue of aesthetics?

also, what's a ballpark $ figure for a "decent" Made In America Fender Tele or Strat?

FB
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jerry,

I'm wondering about the wood. Haven't read a single review that singled out one wood over another in the electric venues. To a pro musician the wood may be a factor but for now, it seems to be aesthetics... However, at this stage it'll be years before it's gonna make discernible difference for me...acoustic, whole different animal and readily discernible difference.

Check out Fender.com for a complete catalog. I've seen prices for new USA made Strat's and Tele's range from high $600's to low $3K...you may do better for a used instrument at a local shop or studio.

I've taken to shopping at some of the local pawn shops and seen a great selection of guitars in a great variety of conditions...well worn 'friends' pawned for rent, booze or ? Just plain junk that started cheap and was beat to near death; some well used stuff that needs a few minor repairs to get back in shape; and some guitars that are priced right and in good shape...at first it was a bit overwhelming but I moved along and did more research now have better directions. Much like your search and landings for acoustics!

Neighbors on both sides are acoustic players; one is an active musician and both readily accept libations to 'encourage' musical spirits!

music and motorcycles...an evolution in human spirits!
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You are opening a whole can of worms when it comes to type of wood used on electric guitars. Some players feel that softer, lighter wood has a direct influence on tone. Some players feel that harder, heavier wood helps with sustain. Some players feel that up-to-date harder finishes used on modern electric guitars have a bad influence on tone. Then there is the type of wood used for fretboards, maple and rosewood, or ebony on high end axes.

I am no expert by any means. The only preference I have for wood is on the fretboard. Rosewood is supposed to dampen some of the "brightness" from the strings, but I've never really noticed a difference either way. Some pretty famous players will only play Fender guitars with maple fretboards, specifically for the edge it's supposed to give the tone. Me? I just like the dark color of rosewood.

As far as price for new Fenders; no one, I mean NO ONE, pays full MSRP. My Fender American Standard Telecaster had an MSRP of around $925 in 1996, but I got it for less than $600 out the door at Guitar Center. This wasn't a sale price on what they had laying around either - I ordered this guitar new from the factory to get the color and wood I wanted. That price included the guitar case, btw.

Usually if you drop a few hundred at some of the larger retail shops, they'll include some freebies like cords and straps, maybe a cheap tuner. It never hurts to ask!
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Bertman
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a friend with a Line 6 Variax guitar that played with software through the computer can amazingly sound like anything from a nylon string acoustic to a 12 string Rickenbacker electric.

My electrics are a homebuilt Frankenstrat with a hard northern ash wood that is a bright guitar compared to my 1981 real Strat made out of softer southern swamp ash. The swamp ash wood is a lot lighter too. The frankenstrat has a humbucker-single coil-humbucker pickup system with a Floyd Rose bridge so I can do all the wammy bar dives and still stay in tune. I also have a Gibson Les Paul Studio with a nice flame maple top on it that looks gorgeous. They are all electrics but they all play and sound different.

Wait till someone else brings up the tube vs. solid state amp question.

Court - I remember back in about 85 or so when Heavy Metal was the style and seeing some ES335 guitars at Guitar Center (and I remember when there was only 1 Guitar Center) for about $400. I was not in the market for one, but I kept looking at the price and thinking I should buy one. I would like one now but you can't touch them for $2000.

(Message edited by bertman on January 19, 2006)
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