| Author | Message | ||
     Firemanjim |
177. Timed down to the thousandth of a MPH,--you?? Looking for 200 in march. (Message edited by firemanjim on January 03, 2006) | ||
| Ceejay |
200 in March-see that mountain way over there, I want you to get there as fast as possible! smiley face sitting on a horse whipping it/there's no icon for this...  | ||
| Dragon_slayer |
Why officer, never more than two MPH over the limit. Thanks for asking! | ||
| Tom_b |
Bounced rev limiter on my x-1 in 5th gear going down the hiway in 35 degree weather. x-1 has race ecm, V&H pipe. It always runs better in the cold. Speedo said about 140, couldn't read to well since the wind was beating the hell out of me | ||
| Cochise |
Why officer, never more than two MPH over the limit Nine is fine, ten you're mine | ||
| Oldog |
+130 79 1000gse suzuki ~ +120 84 cb900f honda ~ +110 86 750gsxr suzuki ~ (still breaking in) +110 01 Buell ~ fast enough for an OL-dog as an aside the Vrod is supposed to be able to top out about 130? (discovery chanel vrod special) Ironic that the ol sporty mill with a few tweeks is about its equal, can some one tell me why I want a buell equipped with one? wheres that HellBuellyJ, quote the one about that he never goes faster than the speedo incicates? well never mind.. (Message edited by oldog on January 05, 2006) | ||
| Diablobrian |
bahhhh. In the real world top end speed is only useful on the salt flats or old runways during speed trials. If we are honest with ourselves there are much better machines than our air cooled pushrod twins for the top speed job. Corner speed is the primary objective of our weapons of choice. I love my Buell, but really, top end runs on public highways are both foolish and attract unwanted attention and publicity. remember the idiot on the RC51 in Illinois? National headlines (based on false estimations of his speed) that perpetuate a negative image of sport bike riders in general. We don't need any more of that. I guess I must be getting old, but high speed antics on public roads don't impress me. | ||
| Kenny |
I purchased my buell for what it is, an all around great bike. I do enjoy hitting the curves on it but i also enjoy just ridding it to work and home. One of my friend bought a R1 about the same time as I bought my Buell, he ask me why I bought something so slow. I have on several occasions pegged my Buell out at 130 and seen him just keep on goinging,but the majority of the time when we are riding the curves I can hang with him. His ridding skills are a little better than mine, but with pratice I thing I can do just as good on my Buell. Every thing in life is a preference and mine is BUELL. | ||
| Thepup |
Oldog,the v-rod engine stock makes 120 hp,it would take more than a few tweeks to get a XB engine up to that. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
The v-rod also weighs ~200 lbs more. It would take more than a few tweeks to get a v-rod down from that. | ||
| Thepup |
If you could have the XB's goemetry on a V-rod it wouldn't matter about the extra 200 lbs. | ||
| Diablobrian |
power to weight is exactly the thing that matters in acceleration and by extension changing direction (cornering) an extra 20 hp does not give an advantage when it comes at the cost of even 100 lbs, much less 220 as it stands an xb12 at roughly 100 (claimed crank) hp and 400lbs dry comes in at 4 lbs to the hp. the vrod (street rod) at 120 hp(claimed crank) and 620 lbs dry comes in at 5.17 lbs to the hp. I don't see them making the v-rod motor and all of it's associated plumbing lighter and small enough to suit the Buell mission. (Message edited by diablobrian on January 06, 2006) | ||
| Thepup |
Diablo,I was just wanted to make the point that the Revo engine is a more powerful engine than the XB.Even with the extra weight,the V-Rod is faster than than a XB12 in the 1/4 mile.I think the Buell engineers would do just fine getting the Revo to a weight they would want. | ||
| Blake |
"If you could have the XB's goemetry on a V-rod it wouldn't matter about the extra 200 lbs." That is horribly inaccurate. Who would ever buy a 650 LB XB even with a whopping 105rwhp? Not this sport biker! | ||
| Oldog |
Pup you are right the pushrod engine must be worked over to get 120 hp, but they are not that wild and we are talking about tuber engines, the improvements to the xb mill are significant, if your scoot had 110 hp I think that you could easily spank any vrod you chose (assuming "DR Rossi" aint abord) peak hp's up wards of 160 have been seen check here http://www.cycle-rama.com/buell_dyno_charts.htm | ||
| Thepup |
Blake,that 105 hp sure does get that 650lb bike down the 1/4 mile faster that the XB12.Blake,what is most XB12's showing on a dyno,88 hp or so?.Oldog,the Revo could probably make 150hp pretty cheap,not positive but probably as cheap or cheaper that a 120hp XB engine.Not trying to diss Buell,just making the point that the Revo is a very good engine.One more thing Oldog,you believe they got 160 hp out of a Buell engine at cyclerama,when the FX Buells are making around 140hp,I for one don't believe it,if they are,I bet it wouldn't last very long. (Message edited by thepup on January 06, 2006) | ||
| Oldog |
Drop Pammy at Cyclerama a note as it is her bike and the peak hp is 158rwhp, its a 99 x1, there are outfits that do this, the FX buells are getting 140rwhp, is this a road racer?, I don't know what the end point for their motor is but its documented, your XB has a 200# weight advantage, and with a RWHP in the 100 range YOU WOULD HAVE THE ADVANTATGE. one feature that I have noticed with the pushrod engine even tuned for maxpower they have a relitively flat torque curve, | ||
| Court |
My bet is that if Wes Brown does your engine it wil not only make a TON of power (Pammy's bike, as I recall, is pretty well certified at 158RWHP) and I'd bet it'd hold together nicely. Wes is unconstrained by the limits placed on the racers. There is also the question of "appropriate" but, given the hyperbole already set in motion, let's go ahead with the "more is always better" logic....this is, after all, the internet. | ||
| Thepup |
What limits do the racers have that Cyclerama doesn't?According to FX rules,air cooled V-twins have no limitations except 1350cc limit.I know one limitation they have,they have to run for 200 miles.Court how much would it cost to build a 160hp XB engine and how long do you think it would last,if ridden like most ppl ride their sportbike.I love how these posts always turn into one of those"with us or against us".The XB engine is a very good engine,but saying that,the Revo is just as good and could handle more power and is more durable.The Revo engine lasted 500 hours doing the Porsche test,the name of that test slips my mind,how long would a XB engine last.I understand that no one would ride etheir bike that long straight thru,but that tells me how good the Revo engine is. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Another thing to figure in on the quarter mile is wheelbase. The v-rod is much easier to launch without "looping it" than the xb's. Every dragstrip review I've seen for the xb comments that they could not get a good launch and the elapsed times suffered for it. Once again though buells are not designed to be 1/4 mile weapons while the vrod series obviously are. I really think this is apples and oranges. Care to compare lap times on a road race track between the v-rod and an xb? I'd be willing to bet the results would be just as dramatically in favor of the buell as the drag strip is in favor of the v-rod. (Message edited by diablobrian on January 07, 2006) | ||
| 99buellx1 |
From Motorcyclist: 1/4 mile: XB12S 11.38 @ 117.6 V-Rod 11.31 @ 115.0 Top gear roll-ons 60-80mph: XB12S 3.85 sec V-Rod 4.05 sec Tell me 200lbs dosnt matter. If you could launch the Buell as hard as the V-Rod the Buell would win. | ||
| Slowride |
Actually I think we lost the whole context of the post! I was simply wanting to hear people tell some good stories about their Buells. Embellished? Sure we all do, but it makes for good campfire stories over beverage of choice. I would agree that the discussion about Revo vs. Sporty Mill is apples and oranges. The Revo does what it was design to do. Could it be adapted for XB/Tuber use? What couldn't these days. Now, back to the stories my brother in Buells. | ||
| Slaughter |
The problems associated with HIGH RWHP is that it comes at the expense of running higher RPMs Those road race (FX) type bikes are running HIGH compression, GIANT valves, HUGE dual throttle bodies and spinning up around 8000 RPM consistently - and they're probably running 114 octane leaded race gas. That same 140 HP motor, same displacement with lower compression to run on pump gas could maybe survive as a street motor because street riders just don't keep these motors up in their peak power for long (unless they're PLANNING on a lot of rebuilding work more often) The serious FX teams go to the track with A MINIMUM of 2 bikes AND a 3rd engine - for a weekend of racing. That doesn't count spare parts. | ||
| Slaughter |
ThePup, Different race orgs put different restrictions on the bikes GENERALLY, Pushrod and aircooled, 2-valve motors are allowed 1350cc in FX F-USA (CCS) is a power-to-weight formula which favors twins (I-fours are allowed less power) and in that class, it doesn't pay to pump out huge power or you'll either have add weight. First 5 finishers MUST hit the dyno WITH their gas they finished the race in their tank (they get DQ'd if they go to the pit to put in some funny low-power gas) - they can be DQ'd for not going directly to the dyno when they exit the track. The other racing clubs - AFM, WSMC, WERA and others have Twins-classes which GENERALLY see the "little" Ducatis (750cc) squaring off against the 1200 pushrod/aircooled bikes (HD/Buell/Guzzi/BMW - and I suppose URAL) | ||
| Thepup |
I agree it's apples and oranges,it started when a poster said a V-rod does 130 mph and that the XB does 130 mph and that they wouldn't want a Revo motor because a V-Rod and XB have the same top speed.I would say a Revo in a XB would have a higher top speed than the current XB.But here,if you say that there are engines that would be better suited for sportbikes or racing than a XB motor,ppl act like it's personal.Slaughter,Diablo how long do you think a 160hp XB motor would last daily driving and racing as compared to a 160hp revo motor and what would the price difference be? (Message edited by thepup on January 07, 2006) (Message edited by thepup on January 07, 2006) | ||
| Thepup |
I agree a V-Rod is a bad comparison.If you put a Revo engine in a sport chassis,what do you think the results would be?If you were building a motorcycle from scratch would you rather have the Revo engine or the XB engine?What engine would you say is more reliable? | ||
| Oldog |
Pup: at the end of the day I guess its what you like best. The revo did not blast through testing but is the culmination of years of work, starting with an HD road racing engine, ( there were a number of failures along the way) OUR pushrod engines evolved a little differently would they stand up to the 500 hour test, I don't know? interesting to comtemplate. perhaps Anony may enlighten us. Heres what I can tell you, other than flywheel service the mills in our bikes are easy to maintain, robust, pretty well designed, and reasonably well made. Like all man made things they are not perfect. on your doubt about the dependability of Pammy's bike, or their claimes heres my .02$ The Browns have been in the business for a while.(BWB is not the only v2 site that they have a presence on) In any business, you don't stay around if your product / service is not up to snuff, the hpnumber is reproducible (to a point) and bogus claims are easy to debunk, Their bike (pammys X1 specificaly) has the dyno shootout trophys to back up the claim with the dyno chart, and yes its exotic vs either of our bikes. Pammy described it once as "so loud as to peal the hair off of the back of your head" top speed who knows, triple digit torque! PUP how fast have you gone????? (Message edited by oldog on January 07, 2006) | ||
| Slaughter |
I don't think an aircooled XB-type motor at 1340cc is going to last if tuned to put out 140-150 HP. Maybe 200 miles - I'd give it 50/50 of going the distance. I truly doubt that the same motor on a streetbike would have the same problems since it would not likely be run at the constant high rpms except the occasional "gee whiz" blast off from a stop light. The ONLY way to look at putting RELIABLE HP to the ground is to go big (unless you're racing and dealing with class restrictions). "There's no substitute for cubic inches." My motor is about as reliable a race motor as can be expected. Might be good for about 105 at the wheel and has survived about 40 track and race days (about 120 miles a day) being run pretty hard (though a REAL racer would be running it a LOT harder and doing much better on it) - and the top end still looks sweet and I'm going to check run-out on the bottom end before putting her back together. These motors are hard on the bottom ends when spun fast/run hard. | ||
| Diablobrian |
The revolution motor is definitely more expensive to build than our xb motors. The platform does not have as much history or aftermarket as does the xb/xl product line. The machine work is more complex due to things like water jackets and overhead cam drives. As a daily driver it all depends on the rider, but neither would live long at that level. I currently have a measly 100 rwhp xb9. As a race motor it has been estimated that with someone like Dan Bilanski at the helm (and he has ridden my bike. He was one of the people that built it in the first place.) it would last maybe for 4 races. On the street...at just over 2k miles it's just getting broken in. And bottom line if both make 160hp the xb motor will still be lighter and more compact. The extra components and radiator dictate that a large percentage of that weight. The Thunderstorm motor has been refined over the decades to a pretty minimalist condition. And Pup, it's not personal, I'm applying a little science to the problem, not emotion. | ||
| Kevyn |
Reducing a V-Rod by 200lb should not be that difficult... exhaust, wheels and forks should get you half-way there--Ti tubes with CF cannisters, PVM or Marchesini magnesium wheels and petal cut rotors spinning between Ohlin's tubes; ditch the instrument cluster for a single tach; carve down the belt guard; clean out the airbox and toss a bunch of useless bling---and then add a 1250 big-bore kit and I think the P/W ratio will improve enough to overcome any perceived notion of 'heavy' V-Rod. |
