| Author | Message | ||
     Mfell2112 |
This guy likes to sell cracked tail sections for Buell Cyclones and have the shipper pay for them through insurance while I have to wait to get my money returned to me. Geez his tail section he sold me is cracked in the exact same spots as mine but, according to him the shipper did it. I think I can see the cracks in the pic he used for his auction. Look at the top left hole and look above it.looks like I can see the two cracks.Wish me luck on getting my money back. Here is a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4589132715& sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT | ||
| Court |
Not sure devoting a thread to an e-bay member is a great use of bandwidth. I had an e-bay problem last week, I took it up with the e-bay dispute team. Have you started your quest for justice by doing that first? | ||
| Mfell2112 |
Well Court if this guy is going to sell busted Buell parts I think it may be in our best interest to let future unsuspecting customers know whether or not this guy is on the up and up or not. I asked him for a hi res version of his auction pic as well since he said it was not cracked when he shippied it out.This entire busted tailsection fiasco for me has been a nightmare in itself. Regards Mike | ||
| Saintly |
Mfell2112, I for one appreciate the heads up. doesn't seem like a waste to me. Thanks! | ||
| Josh_ |
Make sure you leave feedback | ||
| Ryker77 |
ebay dispute team is a joke so is paypal dispute But if you payed with a credit card... just stop payment! | ||
| Saintly |
"ebay dispute team is a joke so is paypal dispute " You aint kidding! They always seem to side with the crook and bend over the guy who got scammed! Paypal buyer protection is a crock! CC chargeback is the way to go! | ||
| Eurotwins |
The problem with CC stopping is if you used CC along with Paypal,they will suspend your account until you release the funds with CC company. Paypal will only side with buyer if you did not recieve item. All the seller needs is proof that item was delivered and they win...John | ||
| Saintly |
"The problem with CC stopping is if you used CC along with Paypal,they will suspend your account until you release the funds with CC company. Paypal will only side with buyer if you did not recieve item. All the seller needs is proof that item was delivered and they win" This is true! and my account has been suspended for nearly a year as a result. But so be it! I received bricks where my item should have been, but theres proof of delivery! I will not pay for that crap! Seller lied and won paypal dispute. So I charged back, they will not get my money! Paypal is as crooked as the guy who scammed me. | ||
| Kenm123t |
I have found the best way to avoid ebay fraud is not to deal with e bay. In the beginning it was a good idea now its just crooks and another means of distribution | ||
| Mikej |
Posting his name and the incident here will be short term memory. Posting a negative feedback in his ebay account will live as long as that account is active. You do run the risk of him putting something in your account as retaliation, but when I'm looking on ebay I always check the seller's feedback before bidding, I never check here for their feedback. Thanks for the heads up though. Saintly, You're profile doesn't say where in the world you are located, but if it's here in the States then that seller could be guilty of mail fraud if they shipped you bricks instead of something else and used the "proof of delivery" as a defense for payment. Keep the bricks and the original packaging and send constant photos to ebay and paypal admin. I assume you gave the brick seller an appropriate feedback. My paypal account is locked up due to email address and bank account changes, and I've no desire to re-establish it. They won't even let me cancel it without giving them info that I don't believe they have any legitimate need for. | ||
| 2k4xb12 |
Mike, The seller would only be liable for mail fraud if he used the postal system to carry out his crime. If he either received a money order or shipped the item via the postal service. If he used PayPal for the payment and shipped via UPS or FedEx, then there's no mail fraud. | ||
| Mikej |
But there is consumer fraud, and if he's in the United States you just might be able to get his local DA interested. Still sucks though and might not be worth the hassle of dealing with the b'tard. For what it's worth, I always send a U.S.Postal money order via USPS Priority mail when paying for e-bay items. | ||
| Saintly |
Mikej, You had me thinking for a bit, but when I look at my profile it definitely says "NY" as my "state/province" For what its worth, I still have the packaging and all emails & documentation pertaining to the fraud. Item was shipped via UPS ground. Numerous photos & emails were sent to paypal & ebay, but they're either blind or retarded or both because they still side with the seller! And yeah, I slammed him good w/neg feedback, but got the same as retaliation. Plus I'm suspended while he continues to sell. But as the saying goes: "Que cera cera" I got my money back from my C/Card Co. & closed the acct. I just learned a valuable lesson, & I'm better off without an ebay/paypal acct. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I have had nothing but positive experiences with eBay and PayPal. I have used their dispute resolution on several occasions as have members of my family and several friends. I've been eBaying since '98. The only trouble I can say I have had is with deadbeat bidders. Everything else has been settled favorably. I think there is a lot of quasi-plausible turd-letting going on in this thread.  If eBay and PayPal were as crooked as what is being spewed forth in here, they would have been put out of business already. I think you have three choices. Either report it as fraud, negotiate a return, or give the guy the benefit of the doubt and file the insurance claim and be done with it. Since you can't be sure that it is fraud, it's best to deal with it as if the person honestly sent you a good product. The guy has all positive feedbacks. Sure he could be a dishonest amphibious ****stick, but that will play out eventually if it is true. Your mission should be to get satisfaction; not teach the guy a lesson. You may be wondering from where all of this wisdom emanates. Well, I'll tell you: My wife eBayed and sent a rare $800 porcelain figurine to Perth, Australia. The item was exquisitely packed and left our home in pristine condition. It arrived broken in two. It took eight months to get the $1000 insurance money from the USPS insurance claim. Meanwhile, the buyer called her every name in the book, left negative feedback, and repeatedly accused her of fraud. eBay fixed what they could by removing the negative feedback after we were able to prove that my wife acted in good faith. PayPal was powerless since the transaction was completely sane and legal. We suspect that the item was broken in Customs and that was why it took so long to get the money back for the customer. My wife refunded every dime recovered from the insurance claim even though the buyer made a complete jackasss of himself and didn't deserve the full pay out. She would have refunded the money immediately and communicated that on several occasions, but the guy refused to send the broken item back. From his perspective, he had already been screwed once and, by God, was not going to "fall for it" again. The moral of this story is: Don't assume that the guy is trying to screw you. Treat it as an honest mishap unless you can prove otherwise. Do this not out of faith in your fellow man, but simply because as we all know, sh** happens. (Message edited by Lowflyer on November 28, 2005) | ||
| Saintly |
Lowflyer, It's nice to hear that things work out so well in your world. I'm being sincere here, not sarcastic. I think perhaps you have a bit more patience than most people, Eight months is quite a wait! Some of us don't have quite the luck that you & your wife seem to enjoy. I tend to find that most of the snakes in the grass do bite! Nonetheless, your advice on this matter is sound, but if it were me I would be covering my A$$. You seem to be able to sell optimism by the pound. I'm just not in the market to buy. | ||
| Lowflyer |
In all of my bloviating, my advice was to attempt to come about a resolution amicably unless the seller proves beyond a reasonable doubt to be an dishonest ****stick. Too often people forget to try being nice first. This is especially true of eBay. Most people are already on high alert for fear of the unknown. When something doesn't go perfectly, it immediately and most often falsely confirms what they already have in their head. That is, "I'm totally ****ed. I knew this eBay thing couldn't be trusted." The reality is that the seller in most cases wants to continue his good feedbacks and will do what it takes to alleviate the situation. It is okay to feel screwed initially, but these feelings should be put aside until one begins to feel penetration. Act preemptively or try to teach someone a lesson and you will increase the likelihood of screwedness. Most snakes only bite if you threaten or otherwise agitate them. Patience notwithstanding, I still contend the buyer in my wife's case has a few too many teeth. If we ever meet in person, I would be inclined to perform some impromptu dental work on him against his will.  | ||
| Mikej |
Saintly, Oops, don't know how I could miss NY. I still want to go there someday, but I'll probably miss and end up in Rhode Island. Lowflyer, Interesting, I wonder if maybe someone at UPS decided to open the package and swap a few bricks. I still don't like leaving my luggage unlocked on airline flights. | ||
| Tramp |
This thread is a thoughtful heads-up regarding a buell parts sales-fiend who operates via ebay. incidentally, their dispute console is absurd and digitally automated. You're on your own with regard to ebay transactions. | ||
| Court |
>>>You're on your own with regard to ebay transactions. That's inaccurate. It is pretty much an issue of "how much to you want to spend?". I've had 3 "less than perfect" expereiences on e-Bay over the years. In each case, I contacted the local DA's office, one in MA, once in NY and once in WI, to make darn certain I knew what I COULD do. Then I followed my old-time advise for dealing with Buell customer service and tried to be reasonable and find a solution with the seller. In each case, the "moderation and flexibility" worked. One case was particularly funny and elicted quite a reaction, another very interesting. All things considered, not a bad way to shop. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"This thread is a thoughtful heads-up" I agree. eBay is no place for the ignorant or the emotionally unstable. Incidentally, you are on your own with regard to any person to person transaction. | ||
| Mikej |
"Incidentally, you are on your own with regard to any person to person transaction." If that were true there would be no courts or judges or lawyers.  | ||
| Lowflyer |
"If that were true there would be no courts or judges or lawyers." So then where and by whom would murderers, thieves and rapists be tried?  You took my statement too literally. I'm sure if one has a slam dunk case of person-to-person fraud, there is legal recourse. The same is true of eBay. Look, it's okay to think eBay is the most despicable and fraud-laden way to transact business. I am just one of tens of millions of people who use it with a modicum of success. As I said, the ignorant and/or risk-averse need not participate. | ||
| Mikej |
I use it too, have bought and sold a variety of items there and am about to list a couple of bicycles as well. This past summer I even sold a kitcar on ebay. I think I'll go rent some Charles Bronson movies this weekend to get back into the ebay mood/mindset.  | ||
| Lowflyer |
I usually watch Planet of the Apes movies when preparing for eBay.  "Get yer stinkin' paws off me. You damn dirty apes!!!" --Charlton Heston | ||
| Tramp |
Court- Your statement's inaccurate. I've had "transaction interference" issues which were nevr resolved, whereby a guy who wanted me to do a quick "buy-it-now" with something I was selling (it wasn't a "buy-it-now" auction) was upset when I refused to presell him my item. he took it upon himself to contact every bidder, thereafter, and "warn" them away from my item, in hopes that I'd have to sell to him. Ebay was no help whatsoever and apologised that it happened, he wasn't even censured. This is not a case which a DA or anyone like that would have jurisdiction over, being the bidder was not in violation of any local, state, county or federal laws, yet he cost me each bid and the auction, twice, I didn't sell my item, and I still had to pay my listing fees. So, really, Court, your statement based upon a very limited number of experiences syou've had with ebay is not universally applicable. Mine is. you ARE on your own when you deal with ebay. there's little reason to be so fast on the "I don't believe that" and "that's an inaccurate statement" trigger... many of us have had dealings with ebay which have come to a different finsih than your own. I have no problem with telling others about my own experiences which may be distinguishable from their own, and I may be a mite sardonic, but I'm really careful not to categorize the staements of others as "inaccurate" or to tell them "I don't believe that". Sometimes an anecdotal citation, without calling into question the credibility of another, is a more amenable route to take. | ||
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| Jon |
Each person's experiences are valid. Obviously we have had different experiences and different reactions to those experiences. Ok, now I'm going riding with Mikej and Glitch. Welcome back, Tramp. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"Sometimes an anecdotal citation, without calling into question the credibility of another, is a more amenable route to take." Hence the term "quasi-plausible turd-letting."  |
