| Author | Message | ||
     Jersey_thunder |
THE MOTOR AND TRANS. ARE OUT OF A 2001 BUELL S3-T THUNDERBOLT WITH 4600 MILES ON IT, 2002 Buell Cyclone as a donor bike that had 4000 Miles on it I'M SURE THEY COULD NOT SAVE THEM...  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
My friend went through a phase where he wanted a "CHOPPA". We went to the dealership and confirmed that we could indeed have bought a 1203 engine but it would have cost more than a new left over bike! Perfectly good Buells can be bought for less than n engine alone. I suggest hoarding the left over chassis parts. What is the life expectancy of a rigid chopper? I think we will get the chance to buy back the engines in a decade. So hold on to those S2 frames! I predict a backlash. | ||
| M2nc |
I plan to make my 99 M2 in a Big Twin Monster. So I'm looking for a donor Chopper, anyone know where I can find a cheap one? | ||
| Two_buells |
Great job Chris, have some kool-aid and enjoy the ride 2006 Buell XB12X Ulysses 1999 Buell S3 Thunderbolt 1998 Buell S1 Lightning over 100,000 Buell miles Ride Hard or Stay Home! | ||
| Buell666 |
hey jersey, i wasnt saying what other people would do, im just saying what i would do. i wouldnt chop up a perfectly good bike.if i were to build a buell derived chopper, i myself would find a wrecked bike. everythings going to be ok. i promise. calm down. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
why a wrecked buell?.....you can't build a pogo with a sporty or something?....IT HAS TO BE A BUELL? DON'T FIX A BUELL...MAKE A CHOPPER OUT OF IT...PUTTING WP FRONT ENDS / MARCHISI WHEELS ON A MAGGET IS SUCH A FREAKING WASTE OF QUAILITY PARTS FOR A NON HANDLEING..GO NO FREAKING PLACE , POSER MACHINE !!! THEY ARE COFFEE TABLE MACHINES BEING BUILD WITH BLACK TOP EATING..KNEE SCRAPPING PARTS.. JT | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
USE A JOHN DEERE FOR PARTS...OR A MOPED..NOOOOOOOO...A RARE, HANDBUILT, AMERICAN LEGEND IS MUCH BETTER. GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!!} | ||
| Aydenxb9 |
I wouldn't have such a problem with it if they were just using totaled Buells, but most of these mutants are using perfectly good Buells, sometimes pristine Buells as donors. Ran into a guy at New River HD last fall that had ridden in on a 400 mile 2000 M2 that he was going to use for one of those Rednecks. He cared less about the bike even though he'd been riding it. To him it was parts, that's all. It had "that hot-rodded Sporty motor" in it and that's all it was worth to him. He just wanted to have a chrome plated johnson to ride to the "Crash Bar" and talk about how hard-core he thought he was because he could assemble a kit bike. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
I'm with ya J T. Even after I did wreck my Buell if I knew the motor was destaned for choppers, I'd take a sledge to it,make sure its totaly useless. | ||
| Cochise |
setting fire to it wasn't enough??? | ||
| Lowflyer |
Geez, you guys are way too emotional. It sounds like you have totally bought into the marketing spew. You should take a deep breath and realize that not everyone is as suckered as you are. A Buell is not a legend. It is a just a motorcycle. If a dude likes choppers and wants to build one out of Buell parts, I say rock on. Who is anybody in here to judge another motorcyclist for what he wishes to build or ride? OTOH, if anyone feels like they need to somehow "save" Buell motorcycles from being used to make choppers as if they were rescuing baby seals about to be clubbed  , start writing the checks. Put your money where your brand-loyalty is. | ||
| Buell666 |
thank you lowflyer. enough said. | ||
| Cochise |
That cuts deep "low-hitter" I would LOVE to buy up all the Buells to save them, then I would club them in the streets. | ||
| Buellin_ri |
Agree with above statement, but the chopper thing has been done way to much. I bought a Buell for many reasons, one is you rarely pass "yourself". So turning a Buell into a chopper is kind of an oxy-moron. But hey if thats your bag. | ||
| Koz5150 |
I also say chop away. Life is to short to please everyone else. Build what you want, ride what you want. Just don't touch my bike! | ||
| Dave |
Cochise- I didn't see anyone posting as "low-hitter". Maybe they deleted their own post. Hmmmmmmm ANyhow-chop 'em if ya got 'em. You own it...you own it. Is it a shame? To me hell yeah but I don't have the funds to buy 'em all up. ...I got a hankerin' for some seal...bar-b-qued DAve | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
A Buell is not a legend. It is a just a motorcycle. S1/S2 ARE NOT LEGENDS ?....JUST A MOTORCYCLE ? YOU HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA OF WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...CHECK THE HISTORY OF THESE MACHINES, AND PRODUCTION #'S...  Put your money where your brand-loyalty is. I OWN 2 S2'S ONE OF EACH YEAR..JUST ABOUT ALL THE LITATURE TO GO WITH IT, ALSO. BUYING WHAT EVER I CAN AFFORD. SO MY MONEY IS WHERE MY MOUTH IS! JT} | ||
| Lowflyer |
Duuude...you...must...chill... You might consider losing the red all-capped text while you are chilling. This thread is starting to look like Romper Room.  I never said Buells are not excellent machines. I am saying that if one wants to chop up a Buell or a Sears lawn tractor, who are you to tell them that it is wrong? Cutting up a Buell is not akin to dismantling the Statue of Liberty. Let me break it down again...A Buell motorcycle is an inanimate object. Despite all of the advertising hype you have ever read or seen on TV, legends are made of people; not machines. Jimmy Doolittle is an American legend. If you like history, look him up.  No doubt your two S2s are great machines. They might even be worth what you paid for them. Good luck with that. This one looks like one for your collection: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-Buell-Thunderbolt-Signature-Series_W0QQitemZ 4591963697QQcategoryZ49986QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | ||
| Sarodude |
Man, JT just lives and breathes what a lot of us feel. It's insane how people take some of the coolest, most unique bikes and hack 'em up just build a "custom"... A bike that looks just like their neighbor's, co-workers, whatever.... It's unfortunate that market conditions make it more worthwhile for someone to buy a piece of art and hack it up into a piece of junk... Here's the bright side: All the Buell Psychos are watching the bikes they own get rarer. In the long term this may help the value of your faithful steed. -Saro | ||
| Oldog |
LF: Jersey is passionate about the tubers, He did not buy his sleds for "investment" but rather for "enjoyment" Like many of us to Customize your sled is cool, to cut up a ridable tuber for parts to build a me too chopper is distressing, Tony is stating in large letters and contrasting colors what many of us feel or think about the subject. Although we might smile and nod, with a comment "Nice", because thats polite. Many times whats going through My head is "Wana-Bee" Jesse James MAKES some of his parts, same with the Tuttles, Or our Own AAOMY using an old dilapidated or wrecked bikes as a base, that is Cool, I have seen some of the mutants. nto bad park 2 or 3 together ( think UJM ) heres an example of what JT is on about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-NASTY-BIKE-KIT-W-BUELL-100HP-CHK-IT-OUT_W0QQitemZ4592301183QQcategoryZ10064QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Nice huh? this is likely the result of many of the projects, this is a medioker job at best, and a buell parted out for this? Tell me something please sir what would you think if you saw a 68 shelby mustang hacked up on hydraulics so it could do the bounce thing, or the same year mod Camaro? Waste Huh? Ok your definition of a legend requires a person, I do not buy into the "harley" packaged life style thing, BUT, They are creations of a notable and tallented engineer and in some special ways they are unique. As for JT's strongly stated posts. Tony keep the faith brother!  Being that I am now engaged in a little rant here Its laughable that the "Choppa" dudes think that the having the Buell name plate on the engine adds that 25 or so ponys over the sporty, Odd in that the S2 and M2 motors are quite close to the sporty's, If they did their home work they would realize that the X1 is the best "go" motor, and that the numbers are some what dependent on inlet and exhaust. Ever notice that Most "Choppas" have some variation on drag pipes? It's their money just remember its not polite to make fun of others mistakes ...... (Message edited by oldog on November 21, 2005) (Message edited by oldog on November 21, 2005) (Message edited by oldog on November 21, 2005) | ||
| Lowflyer |
It's one thing to be a Buell enthusiast. Have at it. Go get the logo tattooed on your forehead. It's another thing entirely to denounce everyone who is not. Living and breathing feelings for a particular brand of motorcycle really limits a man's potential. This is sort of the way being a hard core HD biker limits your wardrobe and wallet selection.  Choppers are rolling art to an awful lot of folks around the world. I don't care for them myself, but I have friends that build, ride and appreciate them. They are not insane, they just have different preferences than I and they get something out of motorcycling for which I have yet to grow a taste. That is, rolling around on a 250 tire with no suspension has no appeal for me. You forgot to mention that along with being unique and cool, Buells also make the cheapest donor bikes. | ||
| Oldog |
True about cheap, sad about the donors, Lets leave it at its a personal choice, In my professional life I have been dumb founded by the number of times an Engineer will exibit brand loyalty for a hardware manufacturer of commodity equipment, In those cases I wonder where the tatoo is, but its part of the human condition, I do admire some one who will say right up front what they believe, Tonys' passion for things Buellish and tubular is one of those things, and what ever else any one may think life with out passion is pretty dull agreed? | ||
| Lowflyer |
Oldog, I love the P-51 Mustang, it is as rare and valuable as a piece of machinery gets. If you were to say that you were hacking a flying one up to make a living room set, I would say go for it. I don't have the cash it might take to stop you and I would not waste any portion of my life worrying about it. Hell, you could even call me over to help chop the wings off. Would I say you were insane, call you a 'wannabe,' or pass some other pi$$-ant judgment off on you for carrying out your own wishes? Nope. Not unless you stole it from the Smithsonian. I feel that way about people who use Buells to make mutant choppers. It's no big deal. The more of them that get wrecked and/or converted to choppers, the rarer the original bikes get. I would also point out that if you have a good used tuber for sale, instead of selling it as a used Buell for $2k, you might consider buying a rolling chassis for $1200 to add to your Buell parts and sell the lot as a mutant chopper kit for $8k.  Use the money to buy another Buell. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
I love the P-51 Mustang, it is as rare and valuable as a piece of machinery gets. If you were to say that you were hacking a flying one up to make a living room set, I would say go for it. I would call you a •••••••..deffinetly not help you. I guess thats the diffence..and if i have to explain you will never understand.} JT | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
For those of you that understand... For those of you that don't...i hope you will one day... JT | ||
| Oldog |
As a Pilot Myself after being stunned, ? you want to cut up a plane worth several million dollars for furnature?, I am going to scratch my head and wonder why?, while mentaly questioning your intelligence,( like the rest of this Imperfect race I too can be a judgemental butt hole) A P-51 IS a piece of history, I might suggest that you spend the money to duplicate the parts rather than destroy the plane. I understand the economics clearly. The artisans that build rolling sculpture are entitled to their work, no arguments on any of that I am Not a big Choppa Fan, I admire the creative abilitys of some of the metal workers and painters, My favorites are Hotch, and the Martin bros. Artisans for sure, Hank Young too He cuts up old car parts, look into the "lake wood special" What galls me is to see some one who bought a kit then destroyes a bike slappes the front end wheels and engine on it purchases the other parts, pays to have it painted etc and makes out as a "hard core bike builder" I see it almost every time I go to my local dealer, At this years anniversery for the local dealer there were 3 or 4 mutants, nice paint not too impressive reminded me of metric choppers and UJM's If not liking to see our unusual bikes cut up for this makes me a narrow minded pissant ok I don't care other wise I am not as passionate about it as Tony is and believe me I loose no sleep over it but I admire his enthusiasim agree or not, in that I own an X1 a lot of mutants will have to be built before its collectable. thats ok cause I purchased it to ride, and that is what I do with it. I enjoy JT's rants, especialy after waiting in line at the counter behind one of the bone head builders spending 30 minutes buying oil line fittings If I had the coin and wanted some thing special I would blank check Aaomy, and have an s1 or s2 restored / customized by him.. | ||
| Lowflyer |
I understand. That is the difference. I would certainly think he's a ****stick and I might make suggestions that would involve preserving the airplane, but I would keep my opinion of him to myself. I would also not let my opinion of the person interfere with my helping that person out even if it meant perpetuating his ****stickedness. I see nothing wrong with helping a total stranger be a ****stick. Shoot, I have volunteered countless hours to Habitat for Humanity. | ||
| Buell666 |
 " I see nothing wrong with helping a total stranger be a ****stick. Shoot, I have volunteered countless hours to Habitat for Humanity." thats f'n hilarious. | ||
| Lowflyer |
"If not liking to see our unusual bikes cut up for this makes me a narrow minded pissant ok" This is where the crux of our argument lies. I do not disagree with anyone's not liking it. That does not make one a narrow-minded pissant. Narrow-minded pissants generally draw attention to themselves by name-calling, mischaracterizing and prejudging the people with whom they disagree. | ||
| Mikej |
Sorry for the intrusion, but I'm doing some research for a paper I'm going to write and I need to know if Mutant makes a frame that will mount a P-51 engine and landing gear, also what is the salvage value of a P-51, and does anyone know when the next Daytona Bikeweek is so I can plan my schedule accordingly. Thanks.  ===== (ps,  ) |
