| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
Anyone know what the value is of an '82 FXSB "Sturgis"? It's the "Root Beer" brown. Original paint. From the outside you can only tell that the carb and pipes have been changed. It's running about 140HP at the crank (with the stock displacement  ). Everything that rotates is lightened, custom cams, custom gear ratios in the trans, etc, etc, etc... | ||
| Odie |
M1- 140 HP? My 83' WideGlide has $2500 worth of internal engine work done and only puts out 70 to the real wheel. Pistons, cam, ignition, lifters, carb, valve springs, etc. I'm getting ready to sell mine (wife says so). I would venture to say at least $10K but that's around these parts. I love the ol' shovelheads..... | ||
| M1combat |
10K? It's one of 225. It's the only "Harley" that was produced in '82 after the company was bought back from AMF. The only 1982 "Harley" that there is. My guess is that it has at least 10K in the engine alone. Of course, engine work is never a good "investment". He may have said 120. I'm really just interested in the value of a stock one in very good condition though. It's a collectors bike. | ||
| Odie |
I agree it is collectable. I'd love to have it! Unfortunately I have watched the value of mine go down as HD has increased production numbers and there is no longer a waiting list. Anybody with mediocre credit can get a Harley these days. There was a time it was worth more than what I paid for it but no it's worth less even after the motor/paint/moddin'done to it. | ||
| Mikej |
There are some who say that anything built after WWII is not a collector's bike, it's that old subjectivity thing. These are collector's bikes:   I wish this was a "collector's bike", but it isn't (yet):  "Collectors" as a rule go for stock perfection as a general guide, that Sturgis isn't stock. kbb.com says it's worth $9,555 in my area. Other price guides will price it differently. Here's one in Alaska that did not sell for $11,750: http://bidalaska.com/item.asp?intItemID=51010 Here's one for $10,500: http://www.streetisneatinc.com/consign_/black.htm And here's a guy who was looking for one back in 2003, might give him a call: http://www.rallyinfo.com/messagecenter/Forum1/HTML/000301.html Hal's has or had #8 out of 9 RR1200 Buells produced in one particular year for sale for a long time with the price set at a "collector" level. I don't know if they still have it. Sometimes quantity produced does not equate to collectability. I'd pay a premium for the RR that Hal's has or had, but the premium I'd pay is way less than what they were last asking for it. YMMV. ===== ps, ping me if you want to trade it straight across for a 1995 S2.  pps, don't shoot the messenger.  (Message edited by mikej on October 31, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
I see your point WRT collectible status . The nice thing about this bike in particular is that aside from the carb and pipes you can't tell that it's not stock (until it's started of course). So 10K seems to be the number then... I figured that since it was very rare that it would be considerably higher than that. I would have guessed somewhere around 18-20K. Thanks for the responses. | ||
| Mikej |
ppps, if you go to http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/ke.kb.md?kbb.WI;702338;WI089&53074;rc;r&151&1982;Harley-Davidson&&&&& you'll find a list of 17 different "Harleys" for 1982. You'll have to find a purist if you want to promote the bike as "It's the only "Harley" that was produced in '82 after the company was bought back from AMF.", as most people will say there were 16 other models/variations of Harley's made in 1982. | ||
| Mikej |
You might get that 18k for it, in Sturgis, during Bikeweek, on a hot day, to the right person, if you have the right documentation to make the case. Stand outside one of the Casino's and hand listing sheets to anyone who comes out smiling with a big bulge in their pockets.  | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe I'm just a purist then . The others were AMFs... | ||
| Mikej |
We're all a purist about something.  I'm thinkin' you aught to get that Sturgis for yourownself for we collectors really deep down inside just collect what we like and appreciate and often see things in the stuff we have that everybody else rarely even recognizes. 'twould make a very nice complement to your Buell. Way back in the 1970's I rode a little with a various group occasionally, and one of the folks in said group had a shovel/pan with heavily shaved and lightened internals. The only time you saw him outside of the middle of the group was when there was racing going on, and then he was almost always in front of whoever he was racing. Wicked-fast for the day. Doesn't matter who or when, just something from way back then. Buy that Sturgis. You'll be kicking yourself in 5 years from now if you don't. | ||
| Ftd |
I bought a 1982 Superglide (FXE) in july '82. Paid $4500 for it after $1500 in discounts from HD and haggling with the dealer. Sold it in 1998 for $7200 with 89000 miles on it. Was mostly stock. I always thought I owned a Harley, go figure (haha). It (any '82 HD) had no AMF labelling whatsoever as that stopped in 1981. A bone stock Sturgis would be desireable but one with the engine modified that drastically would really have a diminished worth. I'd say 1/2 of a bone stock version. I just reread the thread. Sturgis's were black, the root beer colored bikes were twin belt wide glides (also limited production/collectable). IMHO Frank (Message edited by ftd on October 31, 2005) | ||
| Daves |
Are you sure about the "it's the only HD produced after the buyout from AMF"? I've never heard that before. I don't know but am curious as I have a 1982 FXWG It came with the Gold Eagle on it that is supposed to mean it was built after the buy out? Modified as it is, the bike you are describing would be lucky to bring 10,000 Also FTD is correct, all "Sturgis" bikes were black to my knowledge. 140 HP!!! I'd have to see the dyno chart to even come close to believing that. My bike is 84",ported and flowed dual plug heads,big cams,solid lifters,lightweight pushrods,roller rockers,12 to 1 comp,S+S carb and it is about 75-80 hp. For that bike to have 60 more HP than mine is, well, hard to believe. | ||
| M1combat |
Hmmm... It looks black until you get real close, then you can tell it's a bit brown with a metal flake to it. It has the gold eagle as I recall, but I didn't know that signified a bike built after the buyout. He may have said 120 at the crank . On the all "Sturgis" bikes being black... I have a friend in town that has a maroon looking one. I think she said it was original paint. If not, they did a good job at replacing the pin-striping and all of that. I believe that one was an '88? The last year of the shovel head in that model maybe? So the fact that there are only 225 '82 "Sturgis" models doesn't really mean anything? I suppose I don't even know that's a fact, but that's what I've always believed . Anyone know how many were produced in '82? | ||
| Panic |
140 hp? Does the price include the turbo and nitrous? For a street bike, a 100 hp shovel motor would only be very unlikely. Add 40 = did not happen. | ||
| Daves |
They didn't make any shovels in 1988 Last year was 1984 and only in the FXWG(I think) They also didn't make any "Sturgis" bikes in 1988. | ||
| Dana P. |
This is a 82 Sturgis.  | ||
| Dana P. |
My neighbor has a 81 like this all original.  | ||
| Lucas70374 |
120-140 with stock displacement. need to see a dyno on that one. At the shop we have bikes with 7-8k invested in the motor thats seeing 110-115 ON a TWIN CAM motor | ||
| Dana P. |
Theres no way I'd invest 7-8k on Twin Cam when you could buy a S&S 124 inch for that much and have even more then that.Just my 2 cents. But Yeah 140 out of an old motor like that for that much money invested is just kinda unreachable. (Message edited by bads1 on October 31, 2005) | ||
| Bigdaddy |
A Shovel with 120HP? That's a lot, that's a really big number. I love a Shovel (nearly infinitely rebuildable) but they aren't know for the power. G2  | ||
| Leftcoastal |
If there's any mechanic/machinist/builder etc. that can get 140 HP out of a normally aspirated SHOVELHEAD, that man/woman/extraterrestial/omniscient being or whatever is worth huge $$$. I, having owned several shovelheads over the years, don't believe it can be done. Let's see those dyno slips. Even 120 seems far-fetched to me. IMHO, most anything that is not a certified rare antique, that is labelled "collector..." "classic..." one of a kind" etc. is usually called that by an owner that has WAY too much money invested to ever recoup even close to the amount, and is trying to verbally increase it's value in the eyes of potential buyers. We all do it, I'm pretty sure. Probably the old "my stuffs better than your stuff" feeling we all have. A friend of mine had one of those Sturgis bikes. It was definitely a "collector" bike. The rest of us, if we rode behind him, usually had to stop and 'collect' up the parts that shook off the damned thing. By the way, My RS is definitely a "collector "bike, and with the turbo it's making close to 175 HP! Sorry, I lost the dyno slips. Yours for a measily $12,000! OBRO. AL  | ||
| Phat_j |
i'll definatly call his bluff on the hp as well.... he said crank hp....... how many people do you know that have a crank dyno? none round these parts | ||
| Blake |
Here's what I'd do. I think Court was the inventor of the following technique: Offer the guy $5,000 plus $400 for every RWHP over 100RWHP as tested on a dynojet 250 in inertial mode in 4th gear. Assuming 15% loss between crank and rear wheel a bike with 140BHP at the crankshaft should have around 120RWHP. So if he is being truthful you'd be obliged to purchase the bike for $13K, and if it does indeed make that kind of power, that is a good deal. Most likely the bike will make less than 100RWHP and you'll walk away with the bike for a mere $5K. |
