| Author | Message | ||
     Tramp |
So Saturday AM I decide to address my drag-queen clutch... I do cable, clutch and primary adjustments, (clutch was bizarrely over-tight), hit that starter button, and a godawful wail came from my primary as I released the clutch lever. so, rechecking everything 20 times, It still does it. T*R*A*M*P*squatched again. Missed "The Good Ol' Buells Brothers Boys" in Rahway, and now I have some fun clutch work to look fwd. to. Oh, yeah- and Hamcan goes and wins his'se'f a Trophy- Guy's gonna have that thing bungeed to the front of his XB for the next 10 years... "What are you rebelling against, Hammer?" - "Whaddaya got?" Anyone have any ideas as to what's causing this heinous caucophony in my primary? Until I remove the clutch, I'm kinda in the dark. never heard anything like it, before, really bad frictional wail.... (Message edited by tramp on September 25, 2005) | ||
| Oldog |
just a guess here Trampus the extraneous infamous spring plate whatzitz clutch in running, no noise? clutch out running, noise I have seen numerous posts on the "spring plate" the only other things that comes to mind are the "various" bearings and unless you started the sled with NO oil in the primary (not likely in my mind but possible for any one) thats the only other thing that I can think of I hope that this is helpful .. | ||
| Tramp |
very helpful, dog comma old. clutch lever in, bike running: no noise. clutch lever released, bike running: heinous sqauwking wail. I'll check that pup tomorrow. Thank you, man. Any other ideas or corroboration of that 'n? | ||
| Oldog |
been sittin here thinkin about it had my primary open not to long ago still fresh in my mind, your symptom is one of the strangest I have heard to date. there are 2 bearings in the clutch only one is "unloaded" with the lever "out" thats the throw out bearing, with the clutch "out" the spring plate would be getting squeezed, if it were failing that might cause the noise, the throw out bearing would be unloaded when out on the surface that does not make much sense. Tramp please take the time to post your findings. Thanks Prof .........  | ||
| Jackbequick |
The thing that was bizarrely overtight on the clutch, was that the adjustment screw in the center? That screw is mounted in a small bearing, if I understand the clutch right, that bearing is unloaded and freewheeling when the clutch is engaged (lever released). So if that was over adjusted it may have been not letting the bearing freewheel at all. And then you adjusted it right, now it can freewheel, and you have a noise. Any chance of that bearing being the source of the noise? Be fairly simple to check, you could over tighten it a little bit and see what happens to the noise. Jack | ||
| Tramp |
Thank YOU, Dog Comma Old- I will definitely post my findings. strange symptom, especially considering it didn't do it until after a correct adjustment, hadn't run the engine for more than a minute before (upon release)the squawk bgean. wasn't there previously- weird. i will post results... | ||
| Tramp |
Jack- That was my thought, as well. Funny thing is, the screw (with the adjustment nut removed) jiggles wildly. Feels crazy loose, all right. Good chance that's the problem, I was thinking of readjusting it tight again, just for a listen. Horrible timing, what with the Liberty Open House and all... I'll post some photos of the clutch after it's all pulled.... | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
too bad you missed it. would have been cool to see eriks response to your bike and it's mileage. my guess is he would have loved it! | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
he was definitely very accessible | ||
| Koz5150 |
I am sure that you didn't do this but I had a god aweful noise from my primary after replacing a screw for the small inspection cover. The on I put in was 1/8 to long and was rubbing agains my primary chain. | ||
| Oldog |
what jack said there trampus that makes sense to me | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I wanted to go to that jersey thing too but my clutch died on Friday too! P.S. It was that springplate thing. The rivets popped and ate the adjacent friction plates. | ||
| Tripp |
what the hay! must be clutch problem month! having a heck of a time finding neutral all of a sudden!  | ||
| M2me |
That's weird. I'm also having clutch problems! The clutch cable was loose over a month ago. I posted about it in the KV. Well, things were working great for a month or so and then last Sunday the clutch cable was loose again. No problem, I thought. I'll just tighten it up again. All last week I was doing the same thing! The jam nut was always tight so I don't understand how it could be loosening. Almost every day it would loosen up. On Thursday I barely made it home. I basically had no clutch. It was always engaged and the cable was looser than ever. I tightened it up when I got home and noticed that while putting any pressure on the clutch lever the clutch would start to make a chattering noise. I tried removing the clutch cover and guess what. Two of the bolts wouldn't budge! Too tight and all rounded over!  On Friday I threw it into the back of the old Ford Ranger and took it to the dealer. I haven't heard anything yet. They said they'd get to it by Tuesday. | ||
| Firemanjim |
So your cacophonic bearing noise is discordant and unharmonic in effect and makes for a dissonant clamor of nonharmonious conjunction of metallic parts.(somethin's rubbin') Looked in my manual and there are only 2 bearings in the clutch assembly.One in the clutch shell behind all the plates and one on the adjusting screw assembly. M2me,I would suspect the cable was coming apart or the adjuster assembly in primary was letting loose.It is important to loosen all 4 bolts equally when trying to get the cover off.If you loosen 1 or 2 too much it cocks the cover making the others harder to get out. | ||
| Henrik |
M2me; had that happen on my old Shovelhead. My independent shop at the time (Rolling Thunder Cycles in Hempstead) diagnosed it over the phone - fried throwout bearing. Let's know what they find. Henrik | ||
| Tramp |
M2me- them thar' inspection cover bolts didn't jesss round dey-se'fs off..... Firemanjim- thanks very much for the input. trust me, I thumbed through me manuals immediately, me-se'f. So, It sounds like September is officially Clutch Issue Month... sucks- I really wanted to meet the li'l guy from Great Adevnture... ...dadadadada dumdum... (Message edited by tramp on September 26, 2005) | ||
| Road_thing |
That does it, I'm not touching any of my clutches until October... | ||
| Grndskpr |
clutch lever in, bike running: no noise. Check, and since your primary keeps spining my guess is its not the primary shoe, or the chain or even the stator and rotor clutch lever released, bike running: heinous sqauwking wail. The biggest convern would be that the problem lies in the trans, it could be the 5th gear bearing, not a huge deal, but it can be a pain to get all those little needle bearing out I would guess if it was the clutch bearings it would be making noise in or out, hence the deduction of trans issue, and the uncommon trans 5th gear bearing, but more common than any other related falure It could also be as easy as the detent plate failure, and your stuck between gears, again all guesses until the cover is off. Please post up pics when you figure it out, i would like to see what falies first after 200k miles R | ||
| Tramp |
clutch has been replaced once about 85k miles ago. a friend borrowed it and depressed the clutch lever for protracted periods in stopped traffic. a trans bearing would not have failed after a quick clutch adjustment, trampthinks, (NO bad noise prior to this), and clucth bearings (esp throwout) could make noise variably according to load. Thanks for the input, trust me, i appreciate it! | ||
| Jackbequick |
You have 85K on the clutch? Sounds like you've almost gotten your moneys worth. Someone here explained spring plates to me the other day and mentioned a Barnett clutch pack that comes with two extra plates so you can leave that potentially troublesome spring plate out. Said there was only a very slight/unobjectional change in clutch feel without it so. If I ever get my clutch pack apart I'm thinking the spring plate won't go back in. And the used throwout bearing might not either. Jack | ||
| Tramp |
yep- "buellistic" aka LaFayette is shipping me 3 spare plates to replace my spring plate with. I'ma gonna pull the old primary cover later this afternoon. this is new one on me, this symptom...and I've done a lotta these here clutches... | ||
| Bomber |
thanks for runnin point for us all, Tramp -- | ||
| Tramp |
wisea*s.....  | ||
| Bomber |
we all have skills that need exercise, yes? ;-} | ||
| Tramp |
here we go with kung fu tv series "yes?" sh*t again..... bombs, babe- news flash- it's the 21st century, and this is the USA............................................................................. ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ...........................................................................YES?  | ||
| Bomber |
of course it is, Tramp -- but you knew I knew that, no? btw, do you think your chain would be yanked quite to often if you didn't keep pointing out it's location? and, nossir, I won't yank anything else no matter how high-quality the navigational aids you provide may be ;-} | ||
| Tramp |
no..i mean yes..i mean...... | ||
| Road_thing |
Bomber, I think he enjoys the yanking! . . . . . But then again, who doesn't? rt | ||
| Bomber |
it DOES seem to be a guy thing, don't it? |
