| Author | Message | ||
     Midknyte |
This is the third time in the last month, that I have seen a non-Buell reference to this lil' o concept of "mass centralization". ...Confirming months of speculation, Honda announced the 2006 CRF250R will feature a dual-muffler exhaust system. Honda claims this system centralizes mass for improved handling and increases low-rpm torque... http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07september05_2006honda_crf250r.htm | ||
| Midknyte |
Dag-Nabbit! Make that four. Here's another one... ...Centrally located fuel tank increases mass centralization and allows more compact frame design... http://www.motorcycledaily.com/07september05_2006honda_cbr1000rr.htm | ||
| 12r |
Maybe 5 - do you get the Kawasaki ER6 thing in the US ? More mass-centralisation... http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/product.asp?Id=3400B433331&Sub=3 | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I LIKE that ER6! So that's what they are replacing the EX500 "ninja 500" with? | ||
| 12r |
Yes - in UK dealerships next month. | ||
| Doughnut |
a 3-way catalyser ensures the ER-6n meets stringent Euro-III emission regulations a full year early. Haven't Buells been doing this for awhile now? | ||
| Sspazz |
hahaha.. the centrally located fuel tank is under the "unique features" section for the cbr1000rr. | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah... but without a cat  ... | ||
| Typeone |
Honda has been a firm believer in mass-centralization for quite some time. It's nothing new for them to talk it up. I don't see it being specific to Buell, its not like the concept is far fetched. | ||
| Spike |
Very true about them being into mass-centralization for a long time, but it's only recently that exhaust systems and fuel tanks have been moved because of it. | ||
| Typeone |
15 years in production literature isn't recent to me but you're right, we're seeing it more and more from a bigger range of manufacturers. I have no idea who focused there first and when, just responding to the initial comment to say its not new in bike literature. Edit: sorry Spike, I'm with you, the actual production machines with exhaust/fuel in different locations is something we're seeing more of recently. Didn't mean to sound like I'm disagreeing. Guess they're waking up to the fact that those big, heavy underseat exhausts really only are about style. Heh. Suzuki didn't jump on that bandwagon which I always thought was interesting. (Message edited by typeone on September 13, 2005) | ||
| Rocketman |
Guess they're waking up to the fact that those big, heavy underseat exhausts really only are about style. If that were true why would Ducati the main perpetrator of this type of exhaust system persist in keeping them? This year has seen Ducati struggle in superbike racing, something they foresaw a few years ago when they introduced the 999 series. That saw Ducati drop their trademark single sided swing arm but they kept the under seat exhaust system. If an under seat exhaust system could be conveniently improved upon and give Ducati an advantage in superbike racing don't you think they'd have gone that route by now? Rocket | ||
| Typeone |
nah, they're Italians, style is all they care about anyway  hehee, just kidding of course. i haven't read enough about this subject and the various designs in quite a while. i'll try to dig up some interesting reading, i'm curious now too. | ||
| Ara |
I point out three things: - On the RD-51, Honda first raced it with dual exhausts, went to a single exhaust in mid-season, and then returned to the dual exhaust at the end of the season. - There is no Superbike, Formula Extreme, or MotoGP race bike that uses an under-engine exhaust. - Miguel Duhamel just won the Formula Extreme season on a Honda CBR600RR that has an under-seat exhaust. | ||
| Typeone |
Ara, all points taken, my comments about 'heavy' and 'style' were directed at the current crop of street/consumer machines who attempt to replicate the style of the race bikes. I remember reading that Suzuki did test/design an underseat for their production bike to jump on the current trend we see in showrooms but it threw off the balance of the bike and decided to stay with the single-side exit. My Ducati comment was really only to kid | ||
| Light_keeper |
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| Koz5150 |
And all this time I thought the feature was great because it kept me from burning my calf on the exhaust... | ||
| Midknyte |
It is really nice not having to warn a passenger about a hot pipe... | ||
| Jon |
Rocketman, The Italians are wicked and foolish. THAT is why they persist in campaining and inferior product. Gimme three steps toward the door before you shoot. | ||
| Rocketman |
Jon I wouldn't waste a bullet on anyone with such low opinion of European's as you have. Anyway I'm a crap shot as Blake will tell ya! Rocket | ||
| Cyclonemaniac |
Had my XB9S parked in front of the local H/D shop this Sunday past. When I came out, there were 3 fellows very nearly drooling over the bike. When I struck up conversation describing the bike, one of them stated he was Italian and had only seen one XB in Italy and thought they were beautiful bikes. Guess they do appreciate fine design and engineering. As a side note, there were about 50 Harley's parked in front of the dealership, the 3 Italians only were interested in the Buell!  | ||
| Midknyte |
Honda has been a firm believer in mass-centralization for quite some time. It's nothing new for them to talk it up I'm sure, and would not dispute. I'm just seeing it come up more often and in laymen's speak. Almost reaching house-hold term speak. | ||
| 12r |
And another one !  ...a new bellypan-filling silencer, right under the motor. This centralises and lowers the exhaust's mass... Read the rest of it at http://www.superbike.co.uk/news.htm | ||
| Reepicheep |
That bikes looks so much nicer without that can sticking out the side... |
