| Author | Message | ||
     Jeremyh |
last week they had a radical new R6 that looked like a mini R1 posted on there website in black and yellow. Now it is nowhere to be found on there site. I am curious what is going on over there. were they just teasing the yamaha fans or what? well i got the damn picture so i will have to ask the guys at the dealership whats up.  | ||
| Jeremyh |
i don't have a problem finding it on the canadian yamaha site. | ||
| Jeremyh |
and looky what i found there also......they are getting a completely different color for there R1 L.E.  | ||
| Koz5150 |
I also read on motorcycle.com that they got a sneak peak at the new R6. Check out this quote... "I forgot to mention that the tachs on the new R6s we were allowed to view had their redlines marked at 17,500RPM... Think it's real? God, I hope so. " I think that black and yellow paint job, and the bike, looks awesome. (Message edited by koz5150 on September 07, 2005) | ||
| Jeremyh |
i just don't get why all the info would be on the US site last week but then this week it is nowhere to be found? | ||
| Jeremyh |
as far as the paint job goes....i am all for it i love yellow. believe it or not that exact paint scheme was available in europe early in the R6 upbringing | ||
| Mikej |
Could be they decided to pull it from the U.S. market for some reason. | ||
| Jeremyh |
that would be pure BS i hate it when they yank the good stuff from the US market. I mean come on we buy a lot of product here........obviously it would sell like hotcakes. | ||
| Rocketman |
According to MCN UK today Yamaha have confirmed the black and yellow speed block colour scheme for a limited edition 50th anniversary 06 R1. Rocket | ||
| Kaudette |
now if they could only make a machine with as much soul as technological innovation.... what the hell am I supposed to do with a motor that runs the 17500 rpm's anyway....????!!!! | ||
| Seth |
what the hell am I supposed to do with a motor that runs the 17500 rpm's anyway....????!!!! Why that's simple! Ride that thing on all the roads in this great country where it's safe, sane, and legal to run it at those speeds.  | ||
| Eeeeek |
What do you do with 17,500 rpms? You stick it in 3rd gear and rail on the twisties! Vik | ||
| Reepicheep |
Almost... You stick it in 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd then 3rd and rail the twisties! (just some good natured kidding, I have no doubt it is an amazing bike, especially for the track  ) (Message edited by reepicheep on September 08, 2005) | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Where you can run it all day long at 17,500rpm??? On the safety of your own race track!!!! | ||
| Spike |
Reep- too funny!  With a max redline of 17,5 the new R6 will have a whole 7500 rpm of usable power. If they could gear it right and set the idle at 8k it would be a fun ride. | ||
| Mikej |
I'd like to see a dyno graph of its power output. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Spike.... exactly! If you could live with an 8k idle, it would be a power curve to die for. Which is to say, it is an outstanding track bike. And if you don't mind revvy bikes, it would be a fantastic street bike as well. | ||
| Eeeeek |
Ever ridden the new breed of 600s? There's power well below 10,000 rpms, but just for giggles, where's a Buell's redline again? 6800 rpms? Let's see...6800 is less than 7500. Now subtrack the first 2000 rpms and...oh, it's still less.  Vik | ||
| Seth |
"...for giggles, where's a Buell's redline again? 6800 rpms? Let's see...6800 is less than 7500. Now subtrack the first 2000 rpms and...oh, it's still less..." RPM = jack squat. My friends CBR600-RR vs. my beaten-up S-1: Off the line, 0 to 60, 60 to 100, top speed, cornering... the figures all match what I've experienced, hands down; Buell's on top. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If I was up against a talented rider on a 600RR, they *ought* to smoke me, if they keep the bike wound out. Motorcycle Online has a nice writeup this month and included the the XB9SX, I took the liberty of posting one of their dyno charts here. Please everyone go subscribe now before looking at the following picture.  No question, the inline fours are the power kings. The Buell (and this is just a 9) rule for making good power at low RPM's. Both would love to have the others strengths. If I had to choose one or the other (and I did when I sold my old 600cc inline four) I would choose the Buell (and I did and have not regretted it for a moment). But I would not blame a brother for a moment if they made the other call. Both make sense, it depends on what you want. | ||
| Spike |
Yep, including the 636, which should make the most torque out of all of them. It's an absolute dog at low RPM. I spent some time studying the dyno charts afterward, below 5k rpm it's about as powerful as a blast. From 5k-7k the power starts coming on stronger, but it's still only about as powerful as an EX500. The power rises sharply after that, but it still doesn't outpower an XB12 until it's over 10k rpm. The bottom line is that while there's power below 10k, there's nothing worth mentioning until 8k and nothing serious until 10k+. The power delivery is fantastic if you're on a closed course and able to keep the bike in that RPM range, but on the street it's a disaster. Mike *Edit- Reep beat me to the punch by 10 minutes. Notice none of the bikes even reach the XB9's peak output until ~9k rpm. Lay an XB12 dyno on that same chart and you'll see what I'm talking about. (Message edited by spike on September 09, 2005) | ||
| Henrik |
But I would not blame a brother for a moment if they made the other call. Both make sense, it depends on what you want. There you go again, Bill. With you making completely sensible comments like that - how are we going to get a good flame war going  Henrik | ||
| Jeremyh |
its funny people always talk about having to shift a 600 from 2nd to 3rd and back and forth.............i never have to shift out of 2nd on the twisties. maybe its just because we have more short tight turns than long drawn ou tones. i just leave the biotch in 2nd gear and wring her neck. 04' Gsxr600 and yes i have ridden the new breed...the bad part about owning a 600 sport bike around here is that i see so many jackoffs on them. | ||
| Eeeeek |
You are right, it's where you like your power. Now compare apples to apples. A 600 makes less power at 8k than a Buell does at 7k; however, that's the beginning of the 600's usable power, so you should be comparign it to a Buell at about 2k. This still isn't apples to apples, though, as the Buell is making a lot more torque at idle than a lot of the 600's make at peak. The bottom line is the bikes deliver power differently. It's a myth that you have to constantly stir the gears on the I-4s or that their power is only good for 150 mph+. Ride either bike within its constraints and you'll find that either one can zip right along in the twisties with little effort. When I ride a 600 RR, I pretend everything below about 7k doesn't exist and I use the powerband up to 15k. Often, when a V twin rider gets on an I-4, they shift waaaaay too soon and never get above 10k. I've ridden several different 600's in the twisties and found them to be etremely competant. I would often get up to around 12-15k rpm's and find that the bikes have great engine braking and power. Using the bikes in 3rd gear will easily handle from 30 mph to OMG fast. 70 mph is a real happy spot and it it's tighter, I just keep it in 2nd gear, which is good from about 10-90 mph. No that different from a Buell in 3rd or 4th. I would actually argue you have to shift less on an I-4. Vik | ||
| Reepicheep |
Agreed! It really ended up almost a vanity thing for me. I enjoyed the power of even my old ancient inline four (aircooled yamaha 600, a Radian) but felt silly using it around town, just based on the scene it made at high RPMS. I felt like some sort of boy racer squid trying to show off, when all I wanted to do was keep the bike in a place where I had good power if I needed it. I think of my Buell as the *bottom* half of the powerband of a Hayabusa or Bandit 1200. At first, people would hear that and think... "well, that's the wrong half, that's not the fun half". But if they keep thinking about it, they realize that that is actually the half they use and really like for street use. The typical street rider probably spends 99% (literally) of their time squarely in that rpm range. And the reason they probably like the "litre bike" better then the 600's is generally that half of the RPM range. I don't think giving up the top half of the litrebike powerband is as stupid as it sounds at first blush, at least for a street oriented bike. For some people, giving up that top half would be a terrible tradeoff. For others, like me, it was no loss at all. | ||
| Light_keeper |
In the infamous Sept 2005 issue of Bike there is also a review for the new Kawasaki ER-6N " Next you notice the exaust, placed underneath the engine as Buell have done for years - though this is the first mainstream bike to try it. From the righthand side you notice the rear shock, laid down at an intriguing angle. It's a good idea - adjusting the preload is a piece of cake, and by connecting the swingarm directly to the frame there's no need for any extra linkages. The wavy brake disks swiped from the ZX-6R production line, along with the Ninja-style Y-spoke wheels add a touch of supersport aspiration to this budget roadster." | ||
| Blake |
If I wasn't so averse to the whiny turbine noises of an R6 or any other middleweight class IL4 for that matter, I might own one. Something about the high pitched buzzing engines annoy me to no end. The big liter bikes are much less annoying to me though. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I love my old Air Cooled IL4, Yam FJ1200, got a 4-1 Remus on it, & when it gets up on the cam at about 6000, it howls & you have to hang on for dear life. | ||
| Pale_rider |
That's only cause you are an angry old fart!  Hey Grump I will be calling ya soon! Pale |
