| Author | Message | ||
     Hattori_hanzo |
Earlier in the year a naked version of this bike was introduced in Europe. Looks like it's coming to the USA. Looks like a fun entry level bike...kinda of a mini-XB! The funny thing is look where the exhaust is.... http://www.motorcycleusa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=2454&Page=1 | ||
| Sleez |
how about this one? looks like a built in tire warmer. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/31august05_2006kawasaki_ninja650r.htm | ||
| Oldog |
thought that buell had a patent on the underslung muffler thingy | ||
| Xb12burner |
Once again Erik was years ahead of everyone else. Go Erik!! Keep up the great work! They might be able to skirt the patent issue since it is not directly under the engine. .02 (Message edited by XB12burner on September 01, 2005) | ||
| Johnb |
pics, new Yamaha YZF-R6 and Kawasaki Ninja 650R. Buell Trilogy of Tech: mass centralization, low unsprung weight, and frame rigidity - are hollow fuel in frame and oil in rear swing-arm next?   (Message edited by johnb on September 01, 2005) | ||
| Prez |
i like being asked where my exhaust is by nonbuellers...now i guess everyone and their neighbor will have an underslung exhaust soon... guess ol' erik will have to come up with some more ground breaking innovations to keep ahead of the curve...but i dont think he'll have trouble doing that time after time.... | ||
| M1combat |
I'm sure he'll continue to be the innovator  . The problem is that the rest of the world will say "Yeah, I remember that first Kawi that had the under-slung exhaust... They really hit the nail on the head with that idea." I guess I'm just glad that the ZTL system is heavily copyrighted. I hear the copyright basically says that other manufacturers can use a perimeter mounted rotor all they want, but they're not able to actually take advantage of the system by removing mass from the wheel. If they mount a perimeter rotor, the wheel it's mounted on has to be "massive" enough to withstand the braking torque transmitted through the spokes anyway, even though the torque isn't actually going there with a perimeter rotor . Smart fellers those Buell guys . BTW... a limited production run of 500 R1s with those graphics and full ohlin's suspenders will be sold for about $15KUSD | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Oooops...my original comment was on the Ninja 650....wrong link!  Now this'll make more sense: Earlier in the year a naked version of this bike was introduced in Europe. Looks like it's coming to the USA. Looks like a fun entry level bike...kinda of a mini-XB! The funny thing is look where the exhaust is.... http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=2453&Page=2 I was NO WAY implying the new R-6 was an entry level bike! It looks like it's gonna be the new standard for the 600cc supersports. I really like the all black and for sure the retro yellow and black. | ||
| Xring |
Here's the naked Kawa:  | ||
| Turnagain |
Bimota Tesi 2D | ||
| Cereal |
That’s ridiculous | ||
| Oldog |
odd ain't it? It'll be in a will smith movie next year wonder what it's like to ride? then again when Eriks bikes were introduced comments like, odd ain't it? were likely heard. wonder how that front end works the unsprung weight has got to be horrendous | ||
| Jon |
Yes, my thoughts exactly..."That's ridiculous". | ||
| Nadz |
Which end is the front? | ||
| Trojan |
It may be odd, but I love it We have a similar race exhaust system available for the XB to special order and there will be a road silencer available very soon...  | ||
| Reepicheep |
That Kawi looks like a nice alternative to the SV-650. Nice! They needed that. The ZR-7 is a nice bike, but lacks some of the nice narrow lightness of a twin. | ||
| Se7enth_sign |
The Bimoto is only 340lbs wet with 85hp. I've been interested in forkless front suspensions since first reading about the Britten motorcycle. | ||
| Blake |
Where is the pivot/steering axis for that Bimota? I don't see it. Matt, Cool idea. Have you seen the Honda NAS concept bike muffler? That would seem to be ideal for a Buell too. Pretty sure Honda patented the two inlet muffler concept though. | ||
| Mikej |
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=1565&fArticleId=2181174 http://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/suspension.html http://www.tonyfoale.com/Articles/Steer/STEER.htm http://www.mechb.uni-stuttgart.de/staff/Eberhard/papers/pe85_MavroudakisEberhard _IAVSD_paper.pdf | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I think that Bimota is a very nice machine!! | ||
| Jeremyh |
personally i think its great that other companies are finally moving their exhausts i am tired of the side slung WART exhausts that stick out the side. Also its not as if you can expect other companies to NOT use technology that works. That would be like expecting them to not want to keep up with the opponents | ||
| Bluebuellxb9r |
Heres some more pics for the 650r - http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=23885 - is it just me or is this VIR ? They took some pics of the new ZX10-R right on pit lane @ VIR . http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2005/Sep/050902c.htm | ||
| Bill00 |
I think if Bimota is going to use a swing arm up front, they should make the front wheel driven.  | ||
| Xb12burner |
Bill00, cool idea, do you know of anyone that's tried that? All I've ever seen of 2wd bikes was a gear driven unit attached to the hub. That might be possible to put a drive shaft to the front wheel, but what would the gains be? | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Didn't Yamaha experiment with a 2wd dirt bike of recent years. I think the front wheel was hydraulically driven? Does anyone know what I am talking about? | ||
| Xb12burner |
I thought it was a cable that turned with a gear on the end that turned a cog. But I may be thinking about a mountain bike that I saw once with this setup. The Yamaha was tested in a magazine, I know the one you're talking about, but can't remember the setup. | ||
| Cerbero |
That Bimota is absolutely beautiful! I've been in awe of their designs since I saw the original Tesi (D1)... They simply do what Erik did: Fit an existing engine into a custom frame/suspension system... and they do it well, IMHO. | ||
| Swampy |
Huh, Whatdouthinkofthat? an underslung exhaust? Why did THEY put it there? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Yamaha experimented with a hydraulic driven front wheel on an r1 not that long ago. I like the front exit pipe Trojan. would look sweet poking out of the front of my belly pan. | ||
| Trojan |
There will be a road version of the front exit 'Reverso' pipe available very soon that will fit on the stock header pipes. Price will be competitive with other aftermarket silencers and will include chin spoiler brackets etc. The race one pictured above features 48mm header pipes and isn't really suited to road bikes (unless of course you have a mega tuned road bike that is). The system is completely hand built with stainless headers and a titanium silencer, so is expensive. If anyone wants one though we can supply them to order at around US$2K a set.   | ||
| Bill00 |
Yamaha had a dirt bike with a driven front. It used a hydraulic motor at the hub and a pump on the output shaft of the engine. I think it raced in last years Dakar rally. What would the gains be? Not sure, but it'd be pretty cool to see on a sport-adventurer bike.  Here's a story about a 2wd Yamaha. http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Yamaha/WR-2trac/Page1.htm (Message edited by bill00 on September 03, 2005) | ||
| Carparts009 |
Hey, was just looking at yamaha's site and the placement of the exhaust isnt the only thing that came on Buells first. The muffler also has an internal valve!!! | ||
| Bluebuellxb9r |
Sorry to spoil it, but, Yamaha in introduced the EXUP - exhaust vavling dependent on throttle position in 1989 on the FZR 1000 http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_fzr_1000_reduced_effect_1989.php | ||
| Nadz |
another 2-wheel drive dirt bike... http://www.rokon.com/products/index.htm | ||
| Carparts009 |
I stand corrected. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Ah, but the Yamaha valve was much different. It is basically a restrictor plate to add back pressure, and turned on and off at a single RPM point. The Buell valve switches the flow between different tuned lengths inside the muffler, neither of which has back pressure. Also it is run by the ECU, and opens and closes at different times depending on engine needs. So, yes, Yamaha had a valve in the exhaust, but it wasn't a muffler valve! Haha! | ||
| Piggos |
Blake- the steering axis is in the center of the hub on a Tesi chassis. |
