| Author | Message | ||
     Joemama |
Over on ATC I am asking people to give money. Anyone can give to The American Red Cross. Food, water, and MONEY are needed, let's make it a joint effort between Badweb, ATC, and if anybody here is involved with SACborg, can all get together and give a ton of money to the survivors and families of deceased. Remember to only give money to reputable organizations. Thank you, Joe (Message edited by joemama on August 31, 2005) (Message edited by blake on September 01, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
NICE plan, Mr. Mom (as usual).  Are you thinking of some sort of Buellers' coalition/collective donation? He*l- I'M in. | ||
| Joemama |
I figure 20, 50 and 100 dollar donations, or 100 per person, or ten guys 100 bucks, doesn't matter. Let's put ourselves in their shoes and help them out. Who cares whether or not they would help us, let's help them. | ||
| Tramp |
the minute reciprocity, either actual or conceptual comes to mind, it's no longer charity. sounds like a plan. mr. mom- you've got mail- | ||
| Oldog |
Donating sounds good, But be careful, if you donate money, specify that all of your donation goes to the Katrina relief effort, put it on the check in writing. The ARC for example is supposed to then apply it as specified. If you belong to or know of a "good" church inquire if the body, or denomination is planning an effort you might want to consider donating in that way. Many churches here in eastern NC are now in preparation for missions to the area, If you decide to do that the same applies as well, specify what it is for. Remember that Fema at present has requested that no one go to the area as rescue is still in progress. If you are so inclined pray for them, I will. Before we fund raise here on badwebb lets see what Blake and the other moderators say there may be legal issues that prohibit it. I would not want to loose this board over that. There will be needs in the coming weeks consider giving your time as well as money Our brothers and sisters down there need us. As stewards of what we have we should be responsible and diserning about it's use. I fear that there will be individuals that will take advantage of any generosity for their own gain We as a group should be on the look out for it. Ride safe, from the porch the oldog... | ||
| Joemama |
That's fine, don't worry about losing Badweb, if there is fear of that, put it on ATC's shoulders, if something legal happens, it will be on me, I don't wish harm legally or otherwise on Badweb at all. If anybody has any concerns they can call me at (479)366-3062 or email me at JoeFrus@americanthunderbike.org Put whatever you want to on the checks, it isn't about me, ATC, or Badweb, it's for people who may not have what they need at the time. | ||
| Oldog |
Joe the last statement was not aimed at you, sorry if it came across that way. You are trying to do a great thing and someone has to start it stay with it! I may be back in touch with you on it later.. | ||
| Joemama |
That's cool, I appreciate it. | ||
| Blake |
BadWeB unfortunately cannot support any efforts of individuals to collect money. If you want to donate, and I urge all to do so, please submit your donation directly to any of the reputable charitable service organizations such as the red cross, or Operation Blessing, or FEMA itself. I see absolutely no good reason why folks should send their checks to you personally Joe. Am I missing something? | ||
| Superdave |
Everyone in this area (south Louisian) is being asked to send their donations directly to the Red Cross. If you send a donation please specify that it is for hurricane relief. Thanks...Dave | ||
| Blake |
Joe, I've edited your opening post accordingly. Thanks for your plea to help the folks, and thanks for understanding the shaky issue of fundraising on BadWeB. | ||
| Tramp |
Sounds like a cool idea to do a joint donation from all the badwebbers, sacborgers and atcers at once, AND indemnify badweb from any major issues for fundraising on the 'net. I understand the trepidation, legally, about THAT can o' worms. (Message edited by tramp on September 01, 2005) | ||
| Cochise |
I don't really know what you think is going on here, I am not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes. I am merely asking for people on Badweb, ATC, and Sacborg to make one giant donation. I figured you, of all people would understand what I am trying to accomplish through all three sites. I feel we need to show that Buell riders and motorcycle Enthusiasts in general are here to help people in need, and these people need it. What a way to show our support as a "body" of Buellers and Motorcyclists. I think it would be Awesome for all of us Buellers together to send money to the Red Cross, once again as a whole. I understand what you are saying, but I feel you are making a mistake. Thank you for the chance to say what I needed to say on this site. (Message edited by cochise on September 01, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
Sorry, Joe- I didn't mean to sound that way. i think you're doing a cool thing, as I'd said. It's gotta be a legal quagmire for badweb to have fundraising occuring on this site. I think you guys are on the same page, from where I'm standing.... | ||
| M2me |
Blake says: BadWeB unfortunately cannot support any efforts of individuals to collect money. Tramp says: It's gotta be a legal quagmire for badweb to have fundraising occuring on this site. What???  What about the 20th poster deal from over two years ago (that I was personally involved with)? What about the BadWeb AMA Formula Xtreme Contingency Fund? What about the sale of 2005 Calendars right here on BadWeb? I recall sending a check to an individual who was obviously collecting money. No problem! I was glad to do it! I'm confused. It seems to me that fund raising has occurred at least a couple of different times on BadWeb. Why is it all of a sudden a "shaky issue", a "legal quagmire"? | ||
| Blake |
John, I suspect you'd argue with a wart on your face.  Anyone who wants to argue about this issue and BadWeB policy can do so somewhere else. Calendars comprised the sales of items and were largely conducted through ebay. The Formula Xtreme Buell Racers Fund is indeed on me entirely and I as the registered legal owner of record of the site am willing to shoulder the risks of that endeavor as I have complete and entire control/responsibility for it. You are free to do the same on any web site where you are the registered owner of record. You can impose any policies there you desire short of breaking the law. Joe, <sigh> This is absolutely not a personal issue. Was hoping you would understand that. It is just enforcement of BadWeB policy. That said, and in addition to the BadWeB policy issue, my personal feeling is that seeking recognition for charitable donations greatly cheapens the act. I bet you'd agree with that too if you contemplate it a bit more. Besides, I'm not sure how we would receive any recognition anyway. Certainly those who receive aid from the Red Cross or others would likely never learn specifics of the donors. But here's osmething positive. Because of your thoughtful instigation, BadWeB will help out by posting a banner ad pointing to the various charitable organizations approved by our government. Big credit to you for spurring that effort. Thanks for your thoughtful intentions. We need more of that here.  Tramp, Thank you for trying to enlighten some concerning the risks involved in fundraising. I suppose it might be worthwhile to hire an attorney to setup some kind of trust or whatever so that BadWeB could indeed support such efforts as they are deemed worthy. If we can find a couple more sponsors for the site, we might be able to afford that. I was hoping more for a new higher speed web server though.  But, I'm selfish like that.  (Message edited by blake on September 02, 2005) | ||
| Blake |
Oldog, Thank you for looking out for BadWeB. | ||
| Hans |
Donations are needed in first place. Showing off how big is not relevant. Dutch saying: "Let not the left hand know what the right hand is doing" With other words: Just make your donation anonymously. Americans have a name to be materialistic and at the other hand generous. I was touched by the TV report where I saw an endless caravan of pick up trucks, each pulling a shallow water boat. All volunteers, offering their time and materials. Greeeeaaat.  If somebody would plan such kind of a minor project, I would be happy to support it, knowing that every penny would be used on the most efficient and direct way. Otherwise: Maybe http://www.directrelief.org ?? Seems me an honest organization ? Hans | ||
| Tramp |
" I suppose it might be worthwhile to hire an attorney to setup some kind of trust or whatever so that BadWeB could indeed support such efforts as they are deemed worthy." maybe a fundraiser to pay for legal advi.....errrr...nevermind.....  | ||
| Chainsaw |
...seeking recognition for charitable donations greatly cheapens the act. I agree with Blake. I don't even take the tax write-off for donations. | ||
| Tramp |
I would agree if it were an individual or a for-profit corp. I think when a band of peeps with a common interest collect and support a cause, it's great, and they deserve a collective nod. does it cheapen the the charitable contribution of a troop of boy scouts when they publicly collect for and donate to muscular dystrophy, ? I would see a group of buell enthusiats' contribution as equally noble, myself. I certainly see blake's point (att: spiderman: now is a good time to post a graphic of a guy grovelling at the knees of another), esp. in clear christian terms, but I also think that group efforts often yield a bigger result than a series of discrete (and I mean literally discrete, not "discreet" ) gestures by the same individuals. synergy works wonders in regard to charity. | ||
| Tramp |
chainsaw said: "I agree with Blake. I don't even take the tax write-off for donations." ummmmm....by posting that fact, didn't you just contradict yourself, there, mother theresa?  | ||
| Gomo |
Tramp, Your words of wisdom and ever evolving deepness is starting to scare me. What else can we expect from the Great Undisciplined Reciting Usefullness ? Im with you on your words....Amen | ||
| Jon |
I've not read ALL the posts here, but a few. It's real simple...the folks need help desperately. We can all give. As far as BadWeb or any of the sites go, they are gathering places that folks frequent and so are good places to advertise need. HOWEVER, there are legal limitations to making BadWeb a direct source of relief funding. There are myriad programs already in place. It is no one's place to say that Buellers, therefore BadWeb, needs to become one of these orginizations. You want to know one of the best places to put your buck? The Salvation Army. They actually give very near every buck to the need in question. They also have the programs and people to do it. Let's not re-invent the wheel and then paint it Buell blue. If you are so inclined then send your bucks to whoever you wish. Maybe we could list links to the various relef agencies to help folks give. The hearts are in the right place, so right on brothers. | ||
| Blake |
Yep, poor Joe gets all beat up for trying to raise funds for an absolutely worthy cause. I feel for the guy. We can bicker and argue about pretty much anything... No we can't... You don't know what you are talking about... I've bickered and argued more than you and I know what I am talking about... You call that arguing?...  | ||
| Anonymous |
The upside of public posting is that it encourages others to participate. I agree though, I don't want anyone to know what I am doing either. So heres the plan... post here that you gave, so we can all celebrate and participated together, but use the anon button so nobody knows names! C'mon, if nothing else this is your chance to use that "anon" feature you have been dying to use for all this time, with no slap from the custodians! That's worth $50, aint it? I'll start. I just gave $50 to the salvation army. Donation number XXXX01665000323230XXXX. Next? | ||
| Anonymous |
My wife and I donated $100 to Red Cross and then entered a Disaster Relief training program and will be volunteering two weeks of our time to help the folks down south. | ||
| M2me |
OK, I've thought about it. The Buell 20th poster, the BadWeb Xtreme Fund and the 2005 Calendars were/are Buell specific projects. There are organizations that are set up to provide relief to victims of disasters like Katrina and everyone is encouraged to donate to one of them. BadWeb is not one of those organizations. Right? I got into a big argument with the wart on my face over this. I won!!!  | ||
| Jon |
The Anonymous feature is not for general use, no matter how "good" anybody's intentions are. If you feel inclined to post your charity work, go ahead, but don't use the anonymouse feature. Thanks | ||
| Cochise |
This is all kind of getting ridiculous, I received emails from Blake, he told me he didn't want the kind of negative feedback that could come back later so I dropped the whole thing, no big deal. I emailed him back, said no problem, I will drop it and I have. Thanks. No reason to feel sorry for me. I didn't cry to the wife and say Blake doesn't like me anymore (don't know if he did anyway mind you)Sure it pissed me off at first, I don't like it when directly or indirectly someone tries to make me into a thief, but I got over it, I am a big boy. Thank you for the people that did, or are going to give, I hope the money finds the people who need it. |
