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Seeeu911
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 02:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good luck Jose, someone here will help.

I did the cover swap. Pulled the chin, and pipes. Then the original cover. Mic'ed the bushings and they were dam near exact match on the replacement cover.
The cams had shifted down from the pressure of the springs. I used liberal assembly lube and then with the cover positioned at a angle to match the slope of the cam's, it pushed on without much fuss. Buttoned her back up, new fluids, and she started up easily. No ride yet but no leaks from idling to temp. Looks bitchen !

Thanks everyone. Now I've got spare rocker gaskets.
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Ralph
Posted on Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool, now you have to post more pictures of your bike!

bighairyralph
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Seeeu911
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

cut down cam cover powder coated black


Thanks everyone !
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Jim_M
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose, looking forward to how the swap ends up...From everything I've read, the M2/T Storm package seems to be an excellent street set up.

Other than missing the point of the bike, I was thinking about how the swap would work on an X1 a few weeks ago.

But, I've read how an aftermarket exhaust bumps up the X1/S3's Midrange, so I'm curious as to why your wouldn't want to just do the exhaust? Is it a funds issue?
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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seeeu911: sweet looking bike. Did you have the headers coated as well?

Henrik
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Seeeu911
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello Henrik. The pipes are stock stainless steel. I used #0000 steel wool along with chrome polish, Mother's first since it is a little more abrasive then I switched to Flitz with a rag for final polish. Took a couple hours to get shiny and silver. Then after a running them for a while the pipes get a gold look from the heat.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Donn : I've just cleaned up my headers too. Used wire wool and wet 'n' dry paper. I've not given them the final polish yet but was going to use Autosol. Not sure Mothers is available in the UK.

As I've not run the motor yet, is it your experience that the headers will stay shiny even if they go yellow again ?

Man, you must have a lot of time on your hands, not to mention the blisters :)

Rocket in England
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim_M

A few reasons:

1. I want M2 midrange with a stock exhaust and ECM. I have had too many problems with the exhaust falling apart with anything other than the stock muffler.

2. I think that it will be mechanically quieter with the milder cams.

3. I have a feeling that I'll end up with something between an M2 and an X1, that is, the Fuel Injected/M2 cammed engine should have better torque across the board than a carburated M2, with only a small loss of high end HP. If an M2 peaks at 75 HP, and an X1 averages 85 Hp at the rear wheel, I would guess that my setup would end up at 80 hp, but with greater torque across the rev range than an M2 and eliminating the "hole" in the stock X1/S3 powerband.

For street riding, where you spend 95% of the time between 0-5500 rpm, stock M2 cams rule!

S1 vs M2

This is an old chart, but it still holds true.
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Jim_M
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 06:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose...

Not gonna argue with you on that point..

Besides, stock sporty cams are cheaper than a slip on, aren't they?

Let us know what happens, I'm very interested in your little project.
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Jasonl
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure who posted these but I remember reading about some cams that split the difference between the M2 grind (stock sportster) and the S1/X1/S3 grind.

Has anyone considered these or currently using them?
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Buellzebub
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocketdude, the pipes do stay shiny and gold, only problem is burned on bug guts. when you clean them off it takes a while for the pipes to return to the gold colour.

WARNING it does take a while to get the pipes smooth [lots of mandrel marks]

S1 withdrawal sux
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Schemky
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose,

I agree with the mid-range philosophy, and your analogy of 80 rwhp is certainly realistic and should be easily attainable. My 99 M2 is really strong in the mid-range, which brings me to an interesting point. My 20-year old son has an immaculate Honda VFR 750; I can ride it anytime. The VFR has about 90 rwhp and goes like stink from 8,500 - 11,000 rpm. I almost NEVER ride it. The mid-range lunge generated by my M2 is INTOXICATING. I agree with your reasoning. Keep us posted.
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Rocketman
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ElzeBuell :

More blisters then :)

Rocket in England
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

Besides, stock sporty cams are cheaper than a slip on, aren't they?




Depends on the slip on......

I had to buy the set which included the a pinion gear, so it was more than what I expected. The reason I needed the pinion gear is that they are the new "high contact ratio" cams.

But it's going to be an interesting experiment. If it doesn't work I can always put the stock cams back in it.

If it works, and then install a pipe/race ecm on it later, it should really make killer TORQUE!

Will keep y'all posted.
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Johnsachs
Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose,
Andrews makes N-2 cams,which are just about between M2 and T-Storms.
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Friday, November 09, 2001 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S2 Engine Questions...

Howdy. I've been going through the Archives. I'm curious about the differences (if any) between the engine in my S2 and that on a 1200cc Sportster. I tried to find a Dyno chart for a stock S2 but didn't see any...

It appears that the S2 has Sportster Cams and Sportster heads (let's call these "stock"). I know I've got the Qwiksilver II carb but I'm presuming that doesn't effect HP much either way. And since I've got "stock" cams I'm presuming the ignition is probably stock too..

Of course I've got the Buell header/exhaust and air filter combo which hopefully adds power at least as well as a Screaming Eagle air filter / slip on exhaust kit does. But perhaps not because many of you upgrade your exhausts. Sooooooooo....

How does the 76hp stated in my S2 Owner's Manual compare with a 1200 Sportster's stated 68hp (per the Owner's Manual from my '91 883 which lists both..)? Just take a 1200 Sportster, do the air cleaner and exhaust and you've got HP similar to the S2?

[Presumably these calcs are at the crank and real world rear wheel hp will be maybe 15% less?]

I have no plans to modify the bike at this time; but I'd like to know what components are in the engine just for comparison purposes.

Thanks In Advance.

Jim in Santa Barbara
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S2carl
Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,

The difference is the 2-1 header and the high volume muffler. It helps make the 76 hp from the otherwise stock 1200 sportster engine.

Carl
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Aaron
Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Carl said.

Most stock S2's I've seen are 65ish at the rear wheel.
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S2Carl & Aaron,

Thanks. That's about what I expected. It's nice to know my starting point should I start the tweaking process...

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Tbolt834
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron, S2Carl,

Doesn't Jim_Sb also need to re-jet the Sporty to take advantage of HP increase from higher air volumes through the header, high volume muffler, and high flow air cleaner? Or does HP stay the same and you are only affecting lean vs. rich, therefore mpg and some possible damage to cyclinders?

Dave
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Dave,

The S2 came equipped that way from the factory with a Qwiksilver II carb. (I didn't do the work).

Everything should be just peachy. Thanks, though.

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim: Dave called your S2 a "Sporty". I think he's confused. Either that, or he insulted your bike. :)
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

I didn't even notice it but you're right! LOL!

No worries. The little stuff doesn't bother me. When you have a gorgeous S2 you can be like that.[g]

Even the "J" sport bike riders up at Necomb's Ranch complimented the S2 yesterday...

Jim in Santa Babara
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Tbolt834
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, Jim_Sb,

Check my profile, '95 S2. Basically no insult issued since I ride one also, but I apologize for any hurt just the same. These are Sportsters with a beatiful body and the right frame to make them a street bike. That is what lead me to the Sporty reference.
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Dave.

No apology necessary. My attitude is if HD ever got off their duff they could make a Sportster, rubber mount the engine and make it handle and perform like a Buell. I still own a Sportster. I realized I was slowly turning it into a Buell (raised the rear, lowered the front, added rearsets, put on great handling Bridgestone Battlax BT45 V rated tires, bigger fuel tank, Supertrapp 2:1, etc.), so I said the heck with it and just bought the S2. And I'm not looking back... [g]

BTW, nice bike! Are you sure it's Parkway Blue? The color looks nearly identical to mine and my is Black Sapphire per Glendale HD/Buell, the Dealer who originally sold it. I had heard Parkway Blue was more of a purple color...

Jim in Santa Barbara
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Tbolt834
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,

It does have an underlying purple cast when the sun strikes it at an angle. Almost impossible to catch with a camera except an upclose shot on a sunny day. I think Aaron or Court worked out the difference in an earlier (this year) discussion. If I read it correctly . . . .

Dave
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Blake
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave, Jim, y'all are obviously very good sports. ... BAHAHAHAAHA haha hemmm...
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Blake,

Yes, I get the humor... I try to be a good Sport... [g]
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Aaron
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have yet to see a camera really capture Parkway Blue accurately. But it's most definitely purple in real life, no mistaking it.

Here's mine:

S2T in Parkway Blue

Umm, this is an "Engine, Mechanical" post because, uhh, it has a mechanical engine. 87rwhp with completely stock appearance, 'cept for the V&H muffler it now has.

AW
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Jim_Sb
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi Aaron,

She's gorgeous. Is that the stock seat?

Jim in SB
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