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Jiml
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Locutus, Al,

The early model S1's had the upper clamp drilled and the bottom of the handlebar clamp was bolted to it. My 96 S1 is drilled also.

later,
jiml
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2001 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can give you a little tip if you are going to change the head bearings.

The bottom cup is a classic water trap. Cut out a short section of the "wall" to allow water to run off. Obviously, place the cut out towards the rear.

There you are, NO CHARGE :)

Rocket in England
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Witchburner
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 02:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was thinking of fitting an up-side down fork from a Lightning on my M2 -99.. is it possible and what will it do to the slow speed steering abilities (dunno the word for it, but the up-sider has to reach the "ends" earlier)

Cheers :-)
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Swede
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone put any effort in to taking weight of their bike? As it is american, please don't be offended ;), some parts are a lot heavier than they need to be...
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Blake
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Witchburner: Shouldn't slow your steering, but it will slightly reduce your lock-to-lock travel, which is what I think you meant anyway.
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Drandall
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How can I get my X1 to have the rake and trail of an S3?

The X1 is 23 degrees, and the S3 is S3 24.5 degrees. I'd like the greater stability of the S3. Also, I put an M2 handlebar on the bike for a bit more comfort, and the wider bars make the bike steer even more quickly.

Is the X1 frame different, or do I just need S3 triple-clamps?

Ok, so why did I trade an S3 for an X1 you ask? I wanted the lower effective seat-hight of the X1, and the removeable frame-piece that makes changing the belt much easier.

Thanks,


Dave
'00 X1-RS
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Mikej
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rake is welded into the headstock (I won't call it a "gooseneck" :) ). If you really want to change your rake, it will take some welding and cutting. Easier to either just buy a new bike or a frame. Some of the custom bike fabricators will do stuff with the trees to adjust angles, but they're setting the bikes up for looks, not for stability or riding.
Sorry.
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dave,
I don't know if it would do it for you, but on page 56 of the last Battle2win, there's an ad from Kosman Speicalties for "Adjustable variable offset Fork Crowns". They are triple clamps with ellipticals in the T-stem bore of the clamps. Pricey, $695. But I THINK they would do what you want.

I've never seen anything but the ad, have no first hand knowledge of the product.

Al
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 07:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(pasting a copy from the quick board so that this is in the archive when I go searching for it a month from now...)

Fogcity wrote... "If you're ever needing a new fork tube bumber (to keep the clamp from hitting your gas tank) the part # is Z0023.L and it's called the "M2 Bumper Kit". Only took about 4 try's, 2 dealers and 3 weeks to get that figured out"...
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Jeffsd
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

About two months ago I bought a 00 X1 with 2600 miles on it. It now has 3700 miles on it and I am noticing that the bike has an increasing tendency to do "tank slappers". This is not a lot of fun at freeway speeds. Is there an adjustment that I need to make or should I just drop 400 bones on the fancy steering dampener?

Thanks,
Jeff
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Tripper
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2001 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check your rear spring preload. Specs Here

Check the steering head bearings. These things have a tendancy to do wheelies and eat the bearings when landed without grace. A dealer will probably quote you $175 for the job.

Steering dampers mask problems. These bikes don't need it when set up properly. (IMNSHO)

If that don't fix it keep asking questions here and somebody with brains will answer you.
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Pilk
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 02:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff
What Tripper said.....
pilk
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Blake
Posted on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff: Try the following checklist:

1. Check tire pressure, especially front tire pressure. Should be from 32 to 36 psi. Try increasing to 36 psi.

2. Check and adjust the front preload per your user's manual.

3. Check and adjust the rear preload per your user's manual.

4. Check integrity of stearing head and wheel bearings.

5. Check/adjust damping setting of both front and rear suspension.

6. Avoid loose clothing that catches wind.

7. Carry packs and stuff as low as possible; load heavier stuff at lowest possible positions.

8. Keep elbows bent and your grip on the handlebars firm yet not too tight.

9. Check front brake.
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Rocketman
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 04:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

JeffSdeeringwobble :

And don't forget to check your wheel balance and alignment too ! What's your tyre wear situation ? Tyre pressure ? Remember, you haven't owned your X1 from new, so be real meticulous in your efforts.

My guess is your set-up is wrong and maybe some wear in the head bearings (perhaps amplifying the problem, but I doubt it).

Check your bearings first, then play with your set-up before you spend money :) Find someone who knows at least a little bit, if not more, about suspension to help you, and follow the manual.

Rocket in England
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's probably not relevant to this bike, given the low mileage, but I have finally fixed my bad handling by changing the fork oil. Dirty, watery crap comes out, fresh stuff in and hello! It was changed two years ago, I think. I know, time also to replace the seals. Winter project.
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Jeffsd
Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I'll spend some quality time with my bike and service manual this weekend. Thanks,
Jeff
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Drandall
Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kosman Racing -- (707)837-0127 -- has adjustable trail triple-clamps for the X1 and the S1 for $650.
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Chuck
Posted on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 01:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff. Replace your worn rear tire with one that is newer and rounder. Flat center sections often cause symptoms like yours. As mentioned above, check tire pressures and suspension adjustments, as well . . . but until you get all "this" done, if your bike mis-behaves again, try leaning forward and putting more of your weight on your feet. Good luck.




P.S. steering dampers suck
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Jeffsd
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rear axle adjuster on the left side was loose. I bought a micrometer and adjusted the rear tire. Rides like new. Thanks for the help.

Jeff
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Tripper
Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Way to go Jeff. Like I said, when set up properly they are heaven, but they have to be set up right.

P.S. steering dampers suck - I like that.
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Doc5339
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2001 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the frame of a 2000 M2 the same size as the frame of a 2000 X1?
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Tripper
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2001 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doc - Yes. The only major differences are your M2 pegs are positioned slightly lower, and the steering head angle is a little less steep.
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Jmartz
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have found an inexpensive titanium source for the massive 1/2-13 hex head bolts that secure the handlebar "risers" on 1996 S1 models as well as the samller WP fork allen pinch bolts (I belive those are 3/8-16). The "riser" bolts are under $4. The company has a unfortunately a $50 minumum. If anyone is ineterested in these please let me now and I will acquire them. You can then send me the money later when I get them.

Jose
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Change Steering head bearings?

I've got 12.5K on my S1W and will have the forks/triple clamps off the bike here shortly. Figured I'd change the steering head bearings while I had all the stuff off. Any tips out there? From reading the manual, I think I should be able to knock the old bearing cups out OK. They said to install the new cups with some special HD tool that pulls them in. Anyone done this without the tool? How?

Any tips appreciated. I'll figger it out one way or the other, but it's always nice to learn from someone ELSES mistake instead of my own :)

Jose,
I'll take 4 titanium pinch bolts for WP forks..just let me know how much to send you when you get them.
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Road_Thing
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose:

I've got 2 '96 S1's. I'll take a full set of the Ti bolts for each one. Same as Al--let me know how much I owe and where to send it.

muchas gracias

el_chingadero_del_camino
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Jmartz
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll go ahead and buy a few sets. When I get them I'll post.

Jose

Your spanish is very Mexican...
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Doc5339
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2001 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tripper, thanks for the info.
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Road_Thing
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks! Let me know how many dinero and donde to send it.

(I can't help it, Jose, it's the way se habla aqui en Tejas...)

r_t
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Jmartz
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Road_Thing:

My relatives from New York call it Spanglish...
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Road_Thing
Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2001 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose:

Down here it's "Tex-Mex", kinda like the food. I've learned what little Spanish I have on hunting trips in Mexico and by listening to the Spanish radio stations in Houston. Nobody's likely to think Spanish is my first language!

r_t
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