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Brentx1
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The perverbial bad luck has hit. Last night I was on a 1000 bike group ride. All was great. On the ride home at 2am, my bike started to lose power. So, I pulled over. As soon as I pulled in the clutch, the oil light came on. OH NO! I checked the oil level before I left for the ride.

After inspecting the bike, I found the O ring on the top of the pushrod cover was pushed out and there was oil everywhere.

This morning I installed new O rings on all the pushrod covers, but now it knocks very badly. My question to you is, What should I be looking for? It sounds like the noise is coming from the valve tappets. Could there be extensive damage? Should I be calling S&S? I was traveling at 70mph and I don't know how long I had been riding with the bike in this condition. The bike still runs good, but I don't want to ride it until I have the knocking taken care of. All advise would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check the condition of your rocker arms, pushrods, and cam contact surfaces. Check for excessive wear. Sounds like a perplexing problem. What did you remove/disassemble when replacing the orings? If you removed the rockerboxes, did you let the lifters bleed down before torquing the rockerbox to cyl head bolts?
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Brentx1
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Blake, I did remove the rockerboxes. And I did bleed down the lifters before reassemble. It was knocking before I disassembled it this morning. I'm going to take the bike to the dealer tomorrow to let them listen to it and maybe give me some advise. If they are no help(like usual) I will tear the top end down to look a little deeper.
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Hans
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brentx, Your story sounds as Raticalbuell`s tale who had his bolts loose with which the sprocket is bolted onto the rotor. He was pretty sure the sound came from the tappets. See the recent engine mechanical topic.
Hans.
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Pammy
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2001 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brent, check the tappets...you probably roached a roller and maybe(probably) scored a cam as well.

Good luck,
Pammy
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Bigblock
Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Pammy said...
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Javahed
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 04:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone ever use ULX-110 oils?

Website is -- http://www.liquidhorsepower.com.au/index.htm

Like many others, I'm trying to decide which oil to go with.

Thanks!

Dan
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any oil that claims to improve engine power is snake oil in my book. Viscosity is the only significant factor affecting power output wrt oil. Stick with name brands and oils that meet the most stringent performance criteria.
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Pj1
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just picked up a 2001 M2 Cyclone last week and spent the weekend breaking it in. When I got back from a 100 mile ride on Saturday I noticed a small oil leak from the bottom of the air box. I check the oil level and everything was fine. On Sunday I went for another 100 mile ride and kept an eye on the oil and everything appeared normal. Is this something normal with the H-D engine? Should I be worried?
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pj,
Probably just blowby condensing and dripping down the inside of the airbox cover. Remove the breadbox once in awhile and wipe down the inside. This is the reason a lot of people go to catch-cans and breather bypass setups. More of an annoyance than anything if that's what it is.

When you put the airbox cover back on, ensure you have it sealed well. Sometimes you can get gaps if you aren't carefull lining everything back up.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PJ1: You might try letting the oil level drop to halfway down to the 1/2 quart low point on the dipstick. This seems to help eliminate excessive spewage into your airbox via the crankcase breather. Also, running good synthetic oil, especially during hot weather, seems to help some bikes reduce oil misting into the airbox. The favorite solution is of course to route the breather outside of the airbox. See pics in the "Engine - Breather" subtopic of the Knowledge Vault.
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Doc5339
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2000 M2 with a Pro Series CF airbox, Thunderslide Jet Kit, and V&H pipes. What is the best oil I can use in the bike, why?
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Jasonl
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ARGH! No! Oil thread!

Just goofing with ya Doc.

My advice (now brace yourself because you'll get all sorts of differing and contradictory advice)

Run any kind of oil that meets the specs for your engine. Basically any oil that meets diesel requirements is ok. But if you do this you should change it often. By that I mean every 3k miles.

I use Mobil1 15w-50 synthetic because it's available all over my area, it's relatively cheap, and it's synthetic. I have various reasons for running the oil but I've not had any problems with it.

So...use whatever makes you happy and change it often.

(Now...prepare for the on-slaught)
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm kinda partial to the Amsoil 20w50 for obvious reasons. If interested please check out my website and maybe help a fellow Bueller.

http://www.lube-direct.com/ddunn

Dan
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2001 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My local auto zone carried the Mobil 1 Vtwin. It is 20w50 and full synthetic. It is not out on display, but if you ask they have it.

I would bet money that I am paying an extra $4 per quart for nothing more then a label and a minor viscosity change. I would bet money that Mobil 1 15-50 would offer all the protection I need and more.

But for roughly $50 per year, I sleep better knowing I am running an easy to find high quality full synthetic (to protect against high heat from a big displacement air cooled engine with one cylinder blocked by another) and running the exact viscosity my original manufacturer indicated as being best.

But like I said, I firmly believe I am paying extra for no more then elimination of that little nagging feeling Harley has spent a lot of time and money seating in my subconcious.

Bill
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Buelliedan
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill,
Actually the 15w50 Mobil 1 uses a base 10weight stock with some viscosity improvers to take it to a 15weight. The 20w50s by Amsoil and Mobil 1 use a true 20 weight base stock so they are much more stable.

Dan
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2001 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Leadhead :

Mobil synth cheap ? Not only is the 4T hard to find in the UK, it's about $50 for 4 freekin litres !

Don't ya just hate those oil company racketeers. Here we are, in the times of nigh on four English pounds for a gallon of gas, and British Petroleum just announced their first 6 month profits for the year....................

One million pound a ••••••• hour !

Rocket in England
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Hoser
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Rocket...................................

How much is "petrol".........converted to $$$$$$$$


We are getting boned here .........last week , gas war 49.4 canuck pennies /l , this week .........
69.4 /l .

Jeff
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Average in the north is about three pounds sixty pence to the gallon, or 80p per ltr.

That's about $5.35 per gallon U.S, right ?


Rocket in England
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Hans
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gas in Amsterdam: just over a dollar (per US quart!!!)
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Hoser
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fellas:

The price above is for regular , Rocket , now I feel better.

Jeff
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Jmartz
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regular gas in Georgia, cheapest in the US, last week was 1.09 for regul;ar at discount stores (eg. QT). Since 1 US gal is 3.8 L that makes it $0.28 per L give or take a few pence.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My new Amsoil Web Site is up and running.

http://www.lube-direct.com/ddunn


My Girl Scout leader told me that if I can sell 1000 quarts of oil I win a trip to Disneyland!!!
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Peter
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buelliedan,
Have you got comparison figures for Redline?
PPiA
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Peter,
No, They have not compared it to Redline. Probably because it's too small of a market to use them for comparisons.
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S2no1
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan,

Slick site, I like that picture of the bikes. But aren't you missing your better half and the kiddies? Maybe you could get Blake to put a link at the top of the page for a few quarts?

Arvel
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Tripper
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2001 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BuellieDan: Your price is too high.


JUST KIDDIN MAN, JUST KIDDIN!
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Buelliedan
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2001 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Arvel,
Blake and I are negotiating some ad space but he is out of town so we haven't fina;ized the deal yet. Hopefully soon I will have a banner on BadWeb!!

Tripper,
My prices are very negotiable for my friends!!

Dan
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2001 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Repeat of post on GDB a few days ago.

Hi Dan.

Blake (hiding out in Chatauqua, NY)
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Buelliedan
Posted on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,

I'm working on trying to find a banner that fits your size limits. Amsoil unfotuantely like to have very wide, short banners. Finding something less than 180pix wide is proving to be a challenge.

Others,
Please buy some oil from me so I can afford to pay Blake for placing an ad on this wonderful site!!

http://www.lube-direct.com/ddunn


Dan
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