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Rickpxb12scgr
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The proverbial lag on start up has been zeroing out my #1 and 2 Trip Odometer info (2008 XB12SCGR) the past month. Only riding her once every other week or so due to the cold weather.

Checked Batt Voltage (put on trickle charger once a week), all Batt connections and Grounds and they are all good to go. All related wiring looks solid etc.

Replaced OEM Batt this past summer with New Yusa OEM same CCA power battery.

Ideas?

Thanks
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How cold is the bike when you're doing this?

In actuality if you are not riding the bike at least 20 miles on these rides, it's likely not getting enough juice back into the batt to recover from the strain of starting in cold weather.

If that's the case, I would pull the batt from the bike and put the batt on a "real" charger at no more than 2 amps overnight. Then remove the charger and see what the voltage goes down to after about a couple hours.

If the free batt voltage drops below 12.6 VDC, it may have developed an internal resistance "short".
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Akbuell
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is reasonable to have confidence in the battery and the connections, esp after just replacing the battery.

Given no report of oil leaks, the starter is probably tight to the crankcase, but wouldn't hurt to give it a wiggle and make sure. Same with the battery cable to the starter.

If that is all good, might be time to break out the service manual and go through the the starter checks. The main contactor inside may not be making be making a clean contact, resulting in a high amp draw, which mimics a low battery and zeros the trip meters.

Hope this helps, Dave
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Rickpxb12scgr
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 08:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks to both above for your inputs.

Cold Batt Voltage has been consistent @ 12.56 etc and the starter unit and wiring are all solid not loose.

Getting into the damn starter is like pulling wisdom teeth. I do have to rotate the engine in the very near future to change out the header pipe so I will do the innards check up on the starter then.

Question:

It was recommended to me by a local ole retired HD/Buell mech to change to a higher CCA batt. One that is 275-300 vise the 220 OEM. He states that many of the bigger bore HD's Glides have the exact same problem when not ridden often and are in colder climates. That many dudes increased the CCA starter output and it resolved the issue.

Thoughts??


PS: I keep the garage heated at around 50-55degs F so cold really can't be the issue.

(Message edited by RickPXB12SCGR on January 04, 2015)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2015 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't see how a bad starter connection of any kind could make it draw *more* current, which would have to be the case for a resetting odo. Unless it is shorted to ground, in which case you would know it because the bike would be on fire.

It sounds like a battery that isn't up to speed, or a connection that isn't good. Just because you replaced and checked those things, doesn't mean they aren't still wrong. And my personal experience has been that older XB Harley supplied batteries were a lot better than new Harley supplied batteries, and they never had much margin to begin with.

I think the dudes are on the right track...
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Akbuell
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep is right about the battery and associated bits; they are the usual suspects.

The point I was trying to make (poorly, it seems, which is not unusual for me) is what the car guys call a 'dragging' starter. All of the rest of the stuff is up to speed, but on a start attempt, the car starter would try to turn the engine over and then - nothing, including no headlights, ect.

Nothing wrong with adding more CCA's.

Hope this helps, Dave
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Replaced OEM Batt this past summer with New Yusa OEM same CCA power battery.




Unfortunately it is not always easy to say how old the battery really is, I've seen batteries that have sat on a store shelf for so many years that it likely is not much better than the one it replaced. Also possible is that the battery is a dud from day one. I wouldn't rule out your newish battery from being the culprit despite its recent purchase date
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