| Author | Message | ||
     Chuck |
Does anyone make a small vented "catch-can" that I could run my breather hoses into? | ||
| Mikej |
Pingle and Jaz both do, but "small" is a relative term. The Pingle can I got is about 6" long, and I haven't mounted it yet. | ||
| Bigblock |
Hi Chuck and Mike, We all run our breather hoses out back under our license plate, to keep the *!#@ off our tire, and don't run the filter at the end, or you'll really have a mess. And dont overfill your oilbag, leave plenty of room for expansion when hot. About 1/2 dozen of us swear by this. Ray | ||
| Loki |
Okay people, Now that the Force is with my M2. I have found a good place to mount my PINGEL catch(sucessfully completed) can and plumb it. Pics to be posted later this weekend. Just waiting for my custom breather bolts to come back from the welder and build the Stainless Steel lines for the asthetic part of the project. loki | ||
| Loki |
Catch the catch can  mount by:loki can by:Pingel Ent | ||
| Loki |
runny hoses  these are the temp lines installed. These will be replaced with SS braided lines in the near future. I need to get a spacer from Kuryaken to alleviate a slight interference with the front line. Till then.... | ||
| Loki |
The hose routing will be different when the SS braides lines are installed. With the installation of a spacer between the carb and Force. The lines will both drop straight down to the t-fitting. I know the looping thing is a real detractor, only temporary. Kuryaken actually sells spacers for the CV carbs, mainly for the Hypercharger, that will work with the Force. Three different spacings 1/4" ,5/8", and 1". They also have one to allow you to mount the Force vertically. | ||
| Loki |
just remember the above set-up is a work in progress and will evolve. The location for the can does not come into play as far as my foot goes. The two bolts which hold the "L" bracket pick up existing bolts in the cam cover. The "L" will change in its next incarnation into something with some more curves to it. The location will not change though. So far so good with it. I did over oil the filter on the can, it does exaust some air through the can. The breather bolts, start out as stock bolts. The nipple (he said nipple...) was cut off (ouch)and a steel AN fitting was welded to it. All the Aeroquip/Russel stuff is obtainable at most speed shops. Ralph, you speechless? the finished look will be much better. | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Loki: here is what Sandy did with the Force on his X1.  | ||
| Jasonl |
That's gorgeous pipe work...what does this guy do for a living? | ||
| Ccryder |
Seeeu911: How about some more picts with the X-1 setup? Loki: I see you have been thinking and working, I do the same. My only comment is to find a little inconspicuous of a location, even an inclined frame tube, or such. I am currently in the designing stage of one of the "Jaz" can mounting and plumbing. Later Neil | ||
| Ralph |
Loki, I've got my "spit cup" mounted under the body work on my S3. It's a touch smaller than that one (probably about a quarter the size). Over two years I've built up two table spoons of oil. bighairyralph | ||
| Kevyn |
krimanettly, I feel like a primitive, still using rubber hoses routed to the back with filters... kevyn S1/M2 | ||
| Loki |
Hey I am a tinkerer by choice. You gotta admit, it does look like I mean business. Not to many places to really try and hide this one. Granted having something like this hanging around isn't for everyone. loki | ||
| Loki |
Stopped by Melbourne HD yesterday. Seems that Kuryaken has what I need to finish my breather lines. A spacer, my Buelldom for a spacer. For $13 small ones, I get a 1/2" spacer designed for the CV carb. Although it was meant for use with the Hypercharger..... Soon very soon loki | ||
| Fastback69 |
I picked up a couple of 90o breather bolts to reroute the breather lines on my M2. I believe the bolts are S2 parts but I'm not sure. The front bolt will not fit in the stock airbox. I would have to cut out the area where the bolt comes through the rear plate and fill the hole with plastic or fiberglass. I plan to gut the box with using a filter bracket made of aluminum bar and the venturi ring OR find a conical K&N filter that will fit the stock tube. Is the S2 airbox plate any different? I'm open to suggestions at this point. Anyone....anyone??? | ||
| Chuck |
Hey Everyone, Check out my vented breather / puke can!  The vent holes are not visible from this angle; but are drilled on the opposite side. I had to search the isles of Wal-Mart for hours to find just the right container; but as everyone can see, the results were well worth the effortJ | ||
| Fastback69 |
Loki, Where did you get the AN breather bolts? Did they come with the Force intake? | ||
| Loki |
Fastback, Ahh, that is my little secret.... just kidding! No secrets around here. Custom made those little babies are. Started out with a couple stock b-bolts and cut the nipples off flush with the hex. The did the same with a couple -6 An (steel) fittings. I got the steel fittings from a speed shop. They were 3/8" pipe to -6 adapters, made by RUSSEL, I would think Aeroquip has them also. The line fittings are from RUSSEL. AeroQuip are the same, just cost more. The modified bolts and -6 adapters were bolted together and then mig welded. this way they do thier original job and my new one for them. I will pull one off and post a pic of the modified version(after) and the before stuff. Everyone with a Force or other set-up that has a seperate breather set-up. I have been doing some digging. If you want to plumb the breather lines back into the intake tract. Kuryaken has the stuff you are looking for. They have spacers that are set-up for the CV carb(bowl vent passage) and have a port to plumb the lines into. Just so happens to be for the Hypercharger. They also have 'Banjo' style breather bolts. All this off the shelf technology. Next time you visit your dealer peruse thier copy of Kuryakens catalog. No telling what you will find. loki | ||
| Loki |
CC, There are two versions of the basic Force. One for the Carbs and one for the Injected. The carb version comes with nothing more than a breather and some lines. The injected version is shown on the X1 pic above. It comes with all that pretty plumbing for the vent lines. | ||
| Yodude |
Here is a photo of our setup. We have the puke pipe attached to the frame behind our intake. All parts , intake, catch can, breather bolts, banjo's etc are available thru us.  | ||
| Loki |
Loki's breather bolt mod Item A is from the Force kit Item B -6 Aeroquip, Russel, etc. in steel (substituted a -4 for visual ref) Item C and D you recognize these as the stock parts Item E is the modded bolt What you do: 1)take and cut the nipple portion off of the stock bolt flush with the hex. 2)take the -6 fitting and do the same to one side of it. You can use a -6 to -6 style or a pipe thread to -6 type. 3)with both cut flush and filed down. bolt them together and find a welder. 4)now you should have something that looks like item E. Paint it, polish it, chrome it, or whatever you prefer  loki | ||
| Ccryder |
If you want to stay with the stock box on an X-1(3)(and not re-breathe) you can follow this route:  The 2 hoses exit across the cylinders to a JAZ breather can on the L.H. side. The Jaz is 90% hidden behind the airscoop. Neil S. | ||
| Gjg99v |
What would the symptons be that indicate that my 98 S3 requires a Pingel fuel valve? My bike has a definite stammer and stutter when I quickly wick the throttle open at 4000 rpm. When I open it up smoothly all seems OK. I'm thinking that it may need more fuel flow. Any comment? I just purchased the bike used and was told that all the standard carb mods where performed. Thanks. | ||
| Dougp |
Loki, another option on the breather bolt modification is to carefully cut-off the nipple end of a straight breather bolt and drill and tap it for 1/8" pipe (NPT). Install an 1/8" NPT x -6AN 90 degree fitting and braided hoses. Pretty simple and effective. I'll try and post some pics. Doug P.  | ||
| Loki |
Doug, Thought about that too. i didn't like the idea of having to tighten down the bolts and then set the 90. So I went the route of the nipple and using 90 degree hose ends. Now have the braided lines on the bike. Cleaned the looks up real nice. Will post a pic on monday morn. loki | ||
| Ccryder |
Here is my last revision to my breather lines (Kinda clean and simple):  Neil S. | ||
| Loki |
and finally,  loki | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Thanks for your help, Loki! Great directions! Some additional questions...if I understand you correctly, I am only really going to use the two filters from the Force kit and a section of their pipe, which I'll cut to fit under the filter. The two plastic elbows in the kit and the metal breather will not be used, right? With respect to the filter on the vent line, it simply gets attached to the end of the line? Do you still use this when you add a puke can? Thanks again for your help! PS..Also picked up the Boss yesterday...can't wait to bolt that on either! | ||
| Loki |
Drew, Use the two preformed elbows(stock pieces), a plastic elbow, a plastic "T"(stock piece), a cut down pice of hose to join the plastic elbow and "T", Attach the long hose to the "T" and route it, plug the small K&N vent filter into the end of it. Yes, even with my puke can I run a outlet filter on it. Not all Pukers would require this though. As for the Boss check the pic I posted for the front hanger. Will post a pic of the vent parts I described later tonight. loki | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Loki - Thanks again! You are indeed wise on things Force and Boss! | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
I found a new product that can be used with the FORCE Sidewinder that's available through Crossroads Performance. (They're the guys that did the red project S1W on Battle2win's cover and the project Blast.) This thing is designed to replace the existing breather setup. The piece is billet aluminum, and actually spans the gap between the two breather bolts. It apparently allows a pooling of the oil mist in the top, which then is able to slowly return to the crankcase, rather than exiting through the breather hose. The breather hose on this thing comes out from the back of the unit, so it remains hidden. (The black hose you see in the picture is not used on the production piece.) The benefits are supposed to be a better working breather setup, no clutter from hoses, and no catch can necessary. Mark from Crossroads was a great help, and took time to explain the whole thing over the phone, and had the pics emailed to me. I've ordered one for my M2...we'll see! It cleans up that part of the engine, though. It's around $135 incl. shipping.  | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Troop - Forgot to ask, what did YoDude quote for the whole deal...breathers and all? I installed the CROSSROADS BREATHER last nite on my M2....it looks GREAT with the Force air intake. That side of the bike now looks as finished as if it had come from the factory. There are no exposed hoses or clamps. The piece is billet, and it is really well made. Everything fits perfectly. The breather hose comes out from the back of the unit...over the carb and easily routed to the other side of the bike. I ran mine along the top rail of the left side amd under the rear "fender", and attached a K&N Breather filter that came with the Force. The only possible glitch with the set-up is that you will need to remove the rear breather bolt, which is a pain on most M2's...mine thankfully came from the factory with a regular (non-elbowed) breather bolt, so no problem. If yours is elbowed, you'll need to take a Dremel to the bolt to get it out, I think. I highly recommend! | ||
| Ccryder |
Just a little observation. Since I rerouted my breathers to the Jaz can, I have ben surprised at the amount of condensate, brown/ gray water, that I drain out of it. I know cold weather is a worst case, but yesterday after 2 two 20 mile rides I drained 2+ oz. of the yuky stuff. No wonder these monsters don't like to run 100% until they are HOT, especially in the stock configuration, re-breathing that stuff has got to mess with the mixture! Neil S. | ||
| Loki |
Ccryder, Amazing aint it, I drain the Pingel can on my M2 every couple days or so. The good part, at least this stuff is not draining back into the motor. loki | ||
| Dave |
All this talk of Jaz and Pingel. What are the p/n you guys have for them and is there a web page with the cans on 'em? I'm thinking of upgrading from an old tylenol bottle. :-) DAve | ||
| Ccryder |
Da-Da-DAve: Here it is Big Guy: Jaz Catch Can  You should be able to find some indiscrete location to hide this little guy. You going to Josh's and Maribelen's on the 16th? Later Neil | ||
| Dave |
Thanks Neil :-) It doesn't look a whole bunch better over my tylenol container, RTV, and safety wire setup! ;-) DAve ... and yes on the 16th! See you there? | ||
| Chuck |
Here's my puke can. I found it at Wal-Mart. The vent holes are on the opposite side.  | ||
| Tomx1 |
Since everyone is talking catch cans, I just got off the phone with Tat from ASB. I bought a billet catch tube that is about 5 inches by 1 1/2 round. He says it is new but has sold quite a few. Who ever bought one needs to post a picture. I'll be camped out waiting for that big brown UPS truck to round the corner with my big box of goodies! Just like a kid at Christmas! | ||
| Loki |
Tomx1, I think that one is on ebay. The add has been there for awhile now. $45 price tag on it, and had a pic of it. loki | ||
| Matty |
Loki, the one Tomx1 is talking about is a different set up. Tat was at our get together last Thursday showing off some of his sweet new goodies - including the catch can. It's sweet. Much shorter than the Yodude and looks mucho bueno. | ||
| Hans |
Jocklandjohn The breather hose in the breadbox is fixed on a nipple on the schnorkel after the filterelement. On that point is the exhaust gas, blown past the piston and mixed with oil and water mist, feed to the fresh and filtered outside air. Most people want only fresh outside air in their fuel mixture. As simple as that. Hans | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Ok guys - dont want to resurrect the recent breather issue (Rocket please dont throw The Brick) - BUT, I am confused - is the Force XR2 setup with the breather lines run back into the intake not a return to the original breadbox setup, with oil mist/blowby returning to do whatever it is it does that had folks trying to stop it doing it in the first place. Or am I missing something here? Or is it ok because it is run back into the intake AFTER the filter setup so it doesn't make the filter element manky? Or is there nothing whatsoever that I need to ask this question about? I am considering the purchase of one of these devices so I do have a valid reason for asking. I am also very simple and easily confused....................... | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Thank you Hans. | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Y2k01x1 Thanks for the info. Would it not have been cheaper/easier for you to get the original Force without the breather setup? Or is it simply a case of 'too late now'. Did you see the following? Posted by Brad on the main board. Hope he doesn't mind me reposting it over here....(where it is probably appropriate as a 'breather' topic). "For those who have oil puking problems through the head breathers, Buell is encouraging us to make two modifications to the middle rocker box cover to cure this problem, or when the rocker box gaskets are replaced: (1) drill out the oil drain hole to 1/8" so that oil can drain more easily, and (2) chamfer 60 degrees the hole in which the umbrella valve sits. According to BMC, the new umbrella valves will not sit down fully (and seal off) because of their new design/material--chamfering the hole allows more of the stem of the umbrella valve to pull down into the hole and seal off better. According to Randell Hendricks, this fix has solved every instance of oil puking to which it has been applied. Bottom line: cheap and easy fix." | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Y2K01X1: I decided on the Pingel after reading many posts here, on ATB, and in the X1 Files Webpage. The Pingel appears to be a bit smaller than the Jaz, and is clamped onto the frame wherever you want. The other one that looked good was the Billet piece that ASB sells...but it's a premium product priced over $120 (The Pingel is $45). The ASB part is likely a lot better looking, but I plan to try to hind it anyway, so looks were not as important. I'm using it in conjunction with a Force XR1 and a Crossroads "Devonator" breather piece. Good luck! | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Hi all, This question has been asked many times before, but what is the general consensus as the best Catch Can out there? I'm looking for a small one that I can hide under the left rear "quarter panel" (if you can call it that!). Any ideas? Thanks | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Disregard the earlier post....I just ordered a Pingel! | ||
| Y2k01x1 |
cyclonem2drew: talked to tat at asb today about the billet can that he sells and he convinced me. very pricey though! should arrive via UPS tomorrow. nice living in san diego, everything sent by asb via ups is guaranteed next day without additional charges. i'm running a force XR2 with the hard polished breather lines on my 2001 X1. thanx for the help! | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Y2k01X1, No problem...be sure to post a "review" of that catch can, as I'd be interested to hear about it! | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Good Breather System Webpage |
