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Terrys1980
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2010 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got my timer relay today and did not have a relay so I decided to hook it up to a battery to test it and to save time for the install later.

There are 2 wiring plugs that come with the unit and 5 wires to hook up.
3-wire plug
Black goes to ground.
Red goes to +12V
Green goes to stock headlight wire. Low beam is yellow and Hi beam is white.
2-wire plug
These two wires can be hooked up two ways depending on if you want use ground or +12 to activate the relay.
I prefer to use ground.
Brown - goes to the relay terminal 86
Yellow - goes to battery ground.

There are also 4 dip switches.
1 - Timer Control - needs to be set to "on" for 0-100 second adjustment.
2 - Switch Contacts - needs to be set to "on" for Normally Closed. That way it acts as off for the set amount of time then latched on.
3 - Operation - needs to be set to "on" for Timed.
4 - Input Polarity - I set it to "off" for positive input. This is set depending on which wire you hook up the green activation input wire to.


Here is a quick run down of the relay wiring.
30 - +12V
85 - +12V
86 - Brown wire from the 611T
87 - to HID ballast

I will try to work on a drawing as soon as I get some time.
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Ratfink
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By chance could you draw up a diagram to what you did? I'm looking to do the same thing to my buell and I get what tit describing and all. But any additional info could help out with my winter project to install one of these. Thanks for any help.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have the 35 watt DDM kit, you don't need the delay relay (FWIW).
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Terrys1980
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rat - I never got around to installing the timer relay. I will try to draw up a diagram tomorrow. I am offshore working at the moment.

Reepi - The delay timer relay is to prevent premature failing of the ballast caused by the on/off/on cycle when starting. You would use regular SPST or SPDT relays if installing the 55w kit.

Here is a link to the HID write-up without the timer relay.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/384 2/517861.html?1282052708
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Ratfink
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Terry. Any help would be appreciated. And this is something that I have time to do seeing that this bike won't be moving for the next few months. So take your time. I'm grateful for your help. And I'm pretty sure the relays are SPST. Just not sure. Id have o take the during off to find out. If it makes a difference ill take a look tomorrow.

Reep. I'm running a pair of 55watt bulbs. But mostly its just to protect the ballast.

(Message edited by ratfink on November 22, 2010)
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Terrys1980
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All the credit goes to JeepinBueller for the original diagram. I added the timer relay.

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Iman501
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So last night I tried instaling my DDM headlights (55w) along with the DEI 611T Relay Timer/latched relay.

according to your drawing you have 85 tied to the ground on your relays. and your trying to switch the timer with the yellow wire being grounded also. They are the same polarity.

So according the the PDF file i have attached, when you want the timer output to be positive you have to connect the brown wire to +12V. The yellow wire then will output +12V when the timer is activated.

To sum it up the brown wire is attached to +12V, while the yellow is output to the low beam relay.

application/pdf
EVS_611T_WebIns_1B_up.pdf (50.6 k)
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Terrys1980
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The timer can be used both ways. I have it wired that way because I prefer to switch ground instead of +12.
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Terrys1980
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2011 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

2-wire plug
These two wires can be hooked up two ways depending on if you want use ground or +12 to activate the relay.
I prefer to use ground.
Brown - goes to the relay terminal 86
Yellow - goes to battery ground.


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Iman501
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2011 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

is your picture correct then?...

the description says it correctly

Here is a quick run down of the relay wiring.
30 - +12V
85 - +12V
86 - Brown wire from the 611T
87 - to HID ballast


but the drawing doesnt seem right,

on the drawing you have 85 as being grounded....

the description says
85 - +12V but then the picture shows it being grounded...?
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Terrys1980
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 06:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see what you are saying. The drawing is wrong because I am sending a ground out of the timer on the brown wire to 86 therefore 85 should go to positive. I will break the link for that drawing until we can agree on a correct one and get it posted.



I getting home from work offshore today and should be able to verify it.

It would be a go idea to get 2 drawings done, a corrected one for using ground and one for switching +12.

Just thought I would throw this in here so everyone can see how the relay works.
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Terrys1980
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is what I came up with during my "gym time" this morning. Of course I never made it to the gym.

Both headlights using -12v output from timer. Low beam on timer.


Low beam only using -12v output from timer.


Low beam only using +12 output from timer.
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Iman501
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

alright i sent you my poorley drawn MS word picture of what i think would work.
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Terry the 611T Timed delay relay that we are talking about is a latched relay. Which means it will give a pulse to the lights and turn them on from 1-100 seconds (or whatever time you set the relay to) and it will run it for that chosen time, then turn them off. I tried to figure it out last night for like 3 hours, but it turns out that since its a latched relay it is in fact the wrong item for the task we are trying to accomplish.

this is more of the type of item i think we need to get the time delay to happen

http://cgi.ebay.com/HID-Relay-Time-Delay-SPDT-10-s econd-delay-/180544858770?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&ha sh=item2a094fea92

it seems like it involves a lot less wiring as well! (which is a good thing in my book!!!)
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Terrys1980
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 611t is tried and true... Your dip siwtch settings must be wrong... The 611t was out way before that relay and the 528t.
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did your settings of 1-on 2-on 3-on and 4-off

if you read through the PDF file i posted earlier there is no "time delay" involved, it receives a pulse to turn it on, then times itself until it turns back off. It is either latched, or turns on, then times out.

I also tried 1-on 2-off 3-on and 4-off after reading through the PDF. This changes the state from normally open to normally closed when inactive. Which when the timer is not active, you want the output wires to be open

it seems you Truly need a "time DELAY relay". The input wire to the relay which was the old wire to the old headlight is always positive when the bike is running.

Have you hooked up your 611t yet?....
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Terrys1980
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the 611t is programmed for a latched output then it will remain latched until it receives another input on the green wire. So with that being said unless it is seeing a second pulse then it should remain latched.

If you have 2 off then that is normally open.

So stop trying to proove me wrong and get your stuff right!

(Message edited by terrys1980 on March 06, 2011)
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Terrys1980
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going in my garage now to test it out.
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Andymnelson
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been emailing with Ian about the 611T and his troubles with it. I don't think it's the product you need.

DEI makes a lot of serurity and automation products for the 12V market. The 611T is a timed latching relay- it takes a momemtary pulse trigger and latches the relay for a set amount of time. An example if it's use: with an alarm you have outputs that give a roughly 1/2 second pulse when you press the "arm" button. You could use the 611T to be triggerred by the alarm and hook it up to your sunroof close button and set the time to the max amount of time it takes for your sunroof to close. Now when you press "arm", your sunroof auto closes!

what you want is a time delay relay, which loks lik and wires in just like a standard 12v relay, but it does not latch the relay until the set amount of time passes. Search ebay motors for "HID time delay relay" for an example.
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok, where is it going to get the second pulse from?...

and good luck!
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Terrys1980
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the relay is set to normally open then when the set time passes it latches aka the relay closes its that simple.

Do you understand the concept of normally open or normally closed?

I am not trying to argue about this like the recent thread about tuning and using other peoples maps.

(Message edited by terrys1980 on March 06, 2011)
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do, did u get yours to work yet?........
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Andymnelson
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I understand the concepts very well. It's difficult to decipher your diagram because the wires on shown going to/from the 611T are not labeled beyond color... I don't know what they do.

I didn't realize that you were using a relay in addition to the 611T- I am sure that you could make it work with the addition of a relay (thats the beaty of relays!). I don't understand why one would want to when all you would have to so is wire in a single time delay relay....but to each their own!

if you are saying that the above wiring would shut the lights off with a second pulse...wouldnt the second pulse come once the starter button is released? Ie: pulse 1 happense when you turn on the key, input power is cut when you press the starter button (hence the need for a delay start!), and pulse 2 happens when starter button is released and the factory loghts would come on?
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So stop trying to proove me wrong and get your stuff right!

I'm not trying to bash you, i just want to figure it out for myself, and by using your directions up to this point i haven't figured it out (the diagram earlier, and now the problem with the latched relay). I'm only bothering writing all of this to figure it out for myself, and see if I'm doing something wrong. I type what i say because it is the problems I'm having, and calling it the way it makes sense to me. I also am posting it for others who may follow the directions, I don't want them to have the same problems I've had, and hopefully we can get everything cleared up to not only help me, but to help others.

Did you get yours wired up today?...
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Iman501
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't realize that you were using a relay in addition to the 611T- I am sure that you could make it work with the addition of a relay (thats the beaty of relays!). I don't understand why one would want to when all you would have to so is wire in a single time delay relay....but to each their own!

and unless the relays Terry is using are different from the ones I'm using then i must be missing something. The relays that Andy sent me the link for have a 10 second delay to them by themselves. The relays that i picked up at auto zone (that I'm assuming are the same ones Terry is using) have no delay to them whatsoever.
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Terrys1980
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did some more testing this morning but didn't get anywhere. The problem I see is that the timer has to have power to it all the time and with the 611 set to normally closed it puts out 12V when the bike is off.

I use regular SPST or SPDT relays. I have never seen the relay with the 10 second delay built in.

My bad yesterday...just caught me at a bad time and after drinking at the Mardi Gras parade.
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Iman501
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

any luck with it? i got mine all figured out with the other delay switch!
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Terrys1980
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 06:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I been thinking about it. It can be done but you will need two relays. I haven't had time to test it this week but I'll try to get to it this weekend.
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