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Grndskpr
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is a part number question:

Where would one get this
SBS590RQ
8s-sro
fpd
7655

Those are the numbers on the back of my brake pads, just wondering if they sound like anything to anybody, they also say made in Denmark if that help, that also may be an incomplete number, due to the brake pistons rubbing some of the numbers off, lets see if i can get this thing on the road by next year
ROger
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Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SBS is a big maker of brake pads,what bike is this for?Saw a set of SBS pads on E-bay.Of course I cannot find them now,but I just took them off my watch list.They were for an S-2,S-1,etc and were at 15.50.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is a link to the SBS pads on E-bay,they sold for 17.00 this morning.But you can see part#.
http://65.54.168.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=2eaa0092218be0c5d0a9a8f8bf3f6d1 d&lat=1068581498&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fcgi%2eebay%2ecom%2fws%2feBayISAPI%2edl l%3fViewItem%26amp%3bitem%3d2441272377%26amp%3bssPageName%3dADME%3aB%3aDS%3aUS%3 a28
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Grndskpr
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FMJ, these are the pads from an RS, with the early Buell brakes(some have said there were only 10 produced this way, but i hae no way to confirm this) all i know for sure is that i have seen no other buell on the road with these brakes, but i saw an RW 750 with them:), i have some concerns that locating these items may be tuff, but hopfully they are a pad used by another bike, and Buell decided to build a Caliper around them, or they fit, the other concern i have now is if the pistons are stuck, or if its just a bad o ring or???Maybe a trip to the factory is in order, i happened to see a few calipers on the shelf in the old assembly plant at the 20th, and while it was tempting to just grab them, i think i would have felt way to bad afterward, maybe if someone is listening, they would like sell me a few parts so i can get this bike back on the road:)
thanks again, time to call SBS
Roger
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Easyflier
Posted on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roger,

You probably have a local shop that could remanufacture those brakes for you. Just a thought.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easy, i had thought about that, but without original specs, i dont think they could do it right, or if they screwed them up, i would really be out of luck, i have so far taken one apart, and cleaned it, and have yet to see any major problems with it, plus there isnt much to them, now i just have to find some o-rings and some odd o-rings(not round but flat on the edges) and maybe i will be in business, i will post as i progress, just wish my digital camera was back from the Best Buy repair shop, 1 down and 1 to go
later
Roger
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What do you need?
The part?
The model?
How many?

Many (that's many) parts for RS/RR models are readily available.
Let me know, I'm guessing rear brake pads for an RS based in running around this post collecting pieces and putting them together, and I'll see if there are any in stock.

Court

Note: Last year, we needed a windscreen for RR-1000 #50, I was searching high and low around the country to have one custom made when, in a fit of desperation, I checked and found there were 6 sitting in boxes in the barn.

Court
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Josh_
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
If we get a source I could use a set front & rear for my 91.

Should the rear do much? Even compared to the newer ones it doesn't grip well.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well lets see, the brakes are now apart, bead blasted and nice and pretty, it amazes me looking, and i mean really looking, at these items at how much time was spent in not only putting them together, but the thought that went into them, this is #6 RS, built in 1989, it has dual front Buell calipers, with gold anodized pistons, not only that, they are differenciated in size, very cool for about 15 years ago, plus this particular set up i belive dates earlier, anyway from what i have seen, some one feel asleep during assembly, there was an extra oring palced in the cliper divider, seems that may have created the problem, i belive it may have cause an over preasure situation on on side or actually 1 half of the caliper, cause a leak, still a very cool setup non the less, so if parts is what i need here goes, as best as i can describe them:
2 square o rings for the large piston and 2 small for the smaller ones(these are square o rings if that makes any sence) total of 4 piston o rimgs, plus 4 more small o rings for the piston dividers, mine are silver, but in the barn they were gold, maybe to match the pistons, brake pads, these are the dual set up, unlike Joshes single PM caliper, again mine has the dual setup, i belive thats it, a basic caliper rebuild set, if not avaliable( i asked Tom he seemed to think it was going to be near imposiable) i think i wil have to hit McMaster Carr and see what i can dig up
some other parts i would like, caliper mounting bolts, there some weird size, not a 6 metric, and not a 1/4 standard, so i kinda messed them up getting them off, 8 would be nice, and the final parts are rear master rebuild kit, and caliper kit, talking to Jonny M. he seemed to think it would have to go back to italy to be rebuilt, but again if the parts are not around i may try and retro fit more modern brembo or Modern Buell parts(nissan) thanks for the help, it runs great, has only 4500 miles, i think the anti dive works, just need to get it to stop
later guys
Roger
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Grndskpr
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yea one other thing i noticed to late, one of the larger pitons is beveled, the other is flat, this happens on both calipers, so i doubt it was a mistake, the problem is in my hurry i misplaced the pistons, so i dont know which side takes the beveled piston, bleeder srew side or the other?? that might help a bit also, as always
thanks
Roger
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Grndskpr
Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One other thing i thought of after i got hom, a torque spec for the calipers(the 4 bolts that hold them together) would be nice, i belive there aluminum, and would hate to strip them
Oh and i was corrected, there not square orings, i was told they might be called flat o rings
later
Roger
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Grndskpr
Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well today i am onto the rear brake system, while there are less parts it seems it could be a tad tuffer, not sure why it will not work, but hope to find out soon enuff, more questions of course:

The rear caliper is a gambler, however the master cylinder has no name on it(without taking it apart) so i was wondering who made it, also since i plan to take both parts all the way apart, what would the torque specs be to bolt the 2 halfes of the caliper back together, and again if there is a rebuilt kit avaliable for both the caliper and the master
thanks again
Roger
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Grndskpr
Posted on Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well in case anyone cares, there has been an onging deal with brakes, i mean that they should be bled out every 30k miles of x amount of year, in reality i never did it, even thought i knew brake fluid could absorb H2O and rust the lines, another reason for doing this, i found out today, is that brake fluid will harden and plug lines, as well as lock up pistons in claipers, while my experience is due to the bike sitting since 1994, i think it would make sence if as a winter project most at least considered there brakes, and brake fluid
All the parts are apart and seem ok, but i had to use a punch to remove one of the pistons, it seem ok, i belive the piston will be fine with a little sanding(its on the back, or inside of the caliper, and NOT on the sides
However the seals are destryed, seems the fused themselves to the caliper, one side was salvagable for size, but the other came out in parts, oh well at least its apart, cleaned and ready for the next step, now i have to clean up the line and get any other chunks out before it goes back together
later
Roger
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Josh_
Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just so I know where to look if I lose my note:

RS chain 530 / 106link
Measure at tightest point .5-1" play at middle

(hmm, on side stand? top or bottom?)

RS mirrors N0161.4 / N0162.4 (Napolean)

And I can quit making the little adjustments when balancing my checking accounts, the ones I wrote on 12/5/02 and 5/1/03 (to EFB designs) cleared Tuesday.

edited by josh_ on November 20, 2003
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roger my '91 RS had a "Gambler" caliper on it when built. My friend Skeeter, who customized the bike a bit (S2T bodywork, Aerocharger Turbo, etc.) put a JayBrake caliper of the rear in the hopes of having it actually function. He told me when I bought the bike from him that the back brake was kinda "soft", even with the new caliper. I ride the bike as if it has no rear brake, which is a good way to ride it, as it in fact does not work, at all, ever. I have the original Gambler caliper, which is partially disassembled, that i will make available to you if you need it to get your RS operational. I plan to stay with the non-functioning JayBrake unit, rather then the non-functioning Gambler piece, as it a much more handsome unit. Also, whose idea was it to cast the word "GAMBLER' on such a vital part of a motorcycle as a brake caliper? Food for thought. I've been told that the rear brakes on Buells are not for stopping, but rather to do something called "setting up the suspension for turns". As a H-D and Indian ('48) rider for 33 years, this concept has somehow managed to thoroughly evade me. If any one can explain this to me I would be very grateful, and I could actually attempt this maneuver on my Buell. Well, if I can get the rear brake to actually function, that is. Sorry, I digress, Roger If you need the parts, let me know. AL
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Josh_
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The rear brake on my 91 can't hold the bike on a steep hill. My 99 has EBC HH pads and can lock the rear.
Does your Gambler have the diaper pin?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Does your Gambler have the diaper pin?

Bet it does.

:)
The "diaper pin" was the first ever "recall". I saved the letter along with the pin I removed just in case Buell grew some day.

Rear brakes on Buells are not the afterthought some think they are.

Post some pics of these RS's....I'm getting sentimental.
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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rear Brake (dys)function: AFAIU the "soft" rear brake is set up so you can't lock up the rear wheel. Many racers/track riders modify the rear brake in this way (I'm trying to rework my SV rear this way). This in order to use the rear brake to set the suspension up for a turn without (read "Less";) risk of locking the rear with a possible highside as a result. That, and for less risky trail braking.

Henrik
(no, I don't ride like that. Wish I was good enough :))
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Davegess
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gambler was the maker of that caliper. They made a whole line of sprint car parts and gambler would be a term that sprint guys would appreciate.
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Bomber
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Left

judicious use of the rear brake has a number of uses (if it actually functions, that is) --

slow the bike without increasing the weight transfer tothe front wheel to the same degree as using hte front brake -- a good idea, if your leaned way over and close to the traction limit

tighten the turn -- a small amount of rear brake will tighten your turn a bit -- it's most obvious a slow (read, parking lot) speeds, but it works at triple digits, as well

"settle" the suspension -- application of the brakes will tend to dampen suspension movements -- use of the rear brake to do so will, on some bikes, also actually cause the bike to squat on it's rear suspension (my Y2K Ma Deuece seems to lower a little on the read suspension when applying the rear brake)

stops to faster -- when both brakes are used, you stop faster (duh! but many folks thinking has been affected by then current racing practice from the 80s/90s) . . . if both tires have traction (not doing a stoppie), the rear brake can add a significant amount of stopping power -- nothing to rivel the front brake, of cousre, but there are times when every little bit helps, yes?

the absolute best place to feel/witness/practice these affects is on the dirt . everything is magnified to the point where even I can feel it happening
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys- thanks for the info! There are still a couple things I plan to do to get my back brake functional and when that occurs i plan to explore some of the tecniques Bomber explained above. I am of course aware of the fact that the rear can help the bike stop faster, but was baffled by what was meant when I overheard the statement I gave in last post about rear brake/suspension. Thanks for clarifying that for me! I started out my biking career on 40's & 50's H-D's with non-hydraulic drum brakes- if you wanted to stop, it usually involved mailing in an application, or running out of gas. somehow a few of us lived to tell the stories.
Court I will post pictures of my RS when I figure out how! Mine was featured in Hot Bike mag a few years ago when owned by Skeeter Todd. We (my wife Penny & I) met you one year at the Love Ride here in LA, She had an '96 S2T that you so kindly sent her a signed by Eric service manual for. Bike's gone, kept the book! It was your enthusiasm for the brand that "set the hook" for our Buell ownership! I owe ya a couple rounds of the beverage of your choice, or maybe a black eye, for that! Be sure to apprise us leftcoasters if you plan to leave the tranquility of that small eastern village for a visit to the wild west, so you can collect on the above.
AL
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M1combat
Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rear brake usage... When you look at the swingarm, you will notice the the front is significantly higher than the back. When the brakes are applied, the swingarm attempts to level itself, lowering the rear of the sled. this will add a little stopping power by virtue of the rear brake, but will also allow you to use a little more front brake.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the original Gambler caliper, which is partially disassembled, that i will make available to you if you need it to get your RS operational.

Sorry for the delayed response, i have been kinda busy as of late, however i would love the caliper or parts if you would be so kind, would be happy to pay a fair amount, and in return will make what is left, avaliable incase anybody else might need a part, will email wil the needed info, thanks again, just need to find out more about the fronts
later
Roger
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roger - I totally understand about the "busy" stuff- 'tis the season to be required to do stuff as determined by others. I figured a fair price for the parts would be a thousand bucks, or the price of shipping, whichever is cheaper. Actually, I figure that if you get that now antique ride on the road for the rest of the population to see & enjoy (or cuss, depending on your riding style) that's payment enough! If you really feel that you need to contribute, I could use a delightful assortment of various sized brake line seal washers. I could start there to attempt to get that rear brake of mine operational. E-mail me and we'll get parts on their way to being lost in the mail, with the rest of America's fruitcake.
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Bud
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi, could anyone tell me or these models where official versionís
The info is from Germany

Thanx and gr, Bud
M2 "HELICOPS" 100 bild


S1 Cyclone 25 bild



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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neither of those bikes was ever officially produced by Buell.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neither of those bikes was ever officially produced by Buell.
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I built one like the S1/Cyclone long time ago,well 4 yrs. ago anyhow.And did a better job if I may add.
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S1hooligan
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been looking around and cant seem to find out what the first year was that buell made an S1. Also what was the first bikes S/N, how many where made and what nots.

Thanks and I will continue to look through the old posts as well

S1hooligan
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Bud
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 04:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Neither of those bikes was ever officially produced by Buell




Thanks, O great Phuba off all BUELL knowledge and earthy matters ; )

I thought so , but I like to be sure

gr,B
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