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Snojet
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, start snickering-laughing now because what I've done to myself.

I am in the process of replacing my intake seals and I think I've dropped an #27 torx bit in the rear cylinder. I am not 100% sure that the missing bit is in the engine, but I can't find it anywhere else. I've checked the whole bike over a dozen times, I have taken all the fairing off, and finally I've sweeped the floor and crawled around until my knees were crying.

I really don't want to explain how or why this happened. I am really pissed right now, so I don't want to articulate it here.

I am trying to verify that it is indeed in there. Note: the front intake valve was closed, the rear intake valve was opened enough to allow a bit to go into the cylinder.

I've tried the following....
Positioned the intake valve to it's fullest open position and looked with a flashlight, placed a tiny magnet on flexible "safety wire" and tried to sweep the whole cylinder. I'm pretty sure I'm not able to fully sweep the whole surface of the piston.
I've removed the spark plug and performed the same procedure as above.
I've used my compressor and blew shop air in the spark plug hole and intake opening while looking at the other opening and seeing if I can blow the bit around and see it.
Tried to use a long ty-wrap and sweep the piston and listen or see the bit.
All the above attempt have not gotten my anywhere.

At work I will be attempting to get a boroscope, but I'm not holding my breath on getting out of the workplace.

I plan on using my shop-vac and try and suck the bit out (again, if is even in there). I was going to adapt the end to cover both the spark plug hole and the intake opening. Wish me luck!!

Has anyone else done this?

Has anyone successfully retrieved debris from a cylinder?

Finally, I really-really-really do not want to rotate the engine and tear the cylinder apart!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially if I don't know it really even in there.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like it isn't in there. But YMMV. : (

I guess the other approach is to remove both plugs, put it in gear, and slowly turn the motor over by hand. If it's in there, I am guessing it won't allow the piston to get to TDC, and you should feel resistance before it can do much damage.
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Kalali
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That must be an awful feeling...
Wish you all the best. keep us posted.
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Snojet
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have good news, well good for now. I was able to score a boroscope from work. I am sort of surprised but glad they allowed me to sign it out. Now I will be able to thoroughly check the cylinder.
I do want to thank you all for the replies.
I will let you know if the offending bit is where it shouldn't be. Update later...
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Snojet
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Woo-Whoo!!!! Good news, the boroscope showed me that there wasn't a bit in the cylinder! I am relieved now. I have also ensured that both intake valves are closed and I will then continue my install of the intake, ect....

Possibly Thread-jacking my own thread....
Working on this bike sometime really STINKS!!!
I bought the after market intake seals (Dennis Kirk) and they don't fit. I am now forced to trim/grind the intake a little. I also read this here from others that have replace the intake seals.
Lastly, hopefully this will solve my stumbling/loss of power that I have been experiencing. That was another post a couple of month ago, or so. I'll update that post once I actually fix this bike.

(Message edited by snojet on February 23, 2010)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good news! If you hadn't checked it, it would no doubt have been in there...
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Buell_bert
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great you found a borescope. I would have used that as an excuse to buy one. I have always wanted one.
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