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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BUELLers:

FOR YOUR INFORMATION:

A tube frame BUELL oil system capacity with
a small HD filter is 2 1/2 quarts MAX!!!


In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Devdawg
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

buellmeister57,
If you haven't changed your front isolator yet, get a hold of your dealer and see if they'll take care of it for you. A few weeks ago, I stopped for something else and the service department said there is an active recall on them so they replaced the isolator and the bracket under the recall.

Buellistic,
I'd like to see that extra filter set up as well. Please put me on the list to send pics to.




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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Devdawg:
Your on the list!!!
In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Bomber
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LaFayette

I'd also love to see those photos . . . . spokes10@aol.com . . .. I'll post em here, as well, so that all may see your work
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bomber:
You have been added to the LIST!!!
In BUELLing
LaFayette
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M2me
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it okay to switch from synthetic to regular oil and then back to synthetic?

Here's my situation: I've put on about 3400 miles since the last oil change when I changed to Syn-3 Screamin Eagle synthetic oil (I know I'm overdue for an oil change). I have three quarts of regular HD 20W50 in the garage. I am thinking about changing the oil and, more importantly, the filter using the regular HD 20W50 and then changing back to the Syn-3 when I store the bike for the winter.

I am thinking about this plan because there is no telling how many miles I might put on before winter hits. OK, I'm a cheapskate. Why run the expensive, synthetic oil for maybe 500-1000 miles or so only to change it again? I don't like to store the bike with dirty oil.

Any thoughts?
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M2me,
Yes, it's not a problem.
I myself would run down to wallymart & get some Mobil-1 or Castrol Syntech (cheaper than HD synth), & toss the HD 20W50 in for winter storage. (why store with expensive oil when you can ride with it?) I'm tossing Castrol GTX 20W50 in for winter storage as soon as evil snow hits. (same reason, I've got half a case)
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Signguy
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see a lot of folks are using Mobil 1 oil in their engines but are you using the "Mobil 1 With SuperSyn 15W-50" advertised for car motors or the "Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50"?
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Philip
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 04:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i use the v twin mobil 1 in motor and mobil 1 gear oil for primary/tranny.
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Ara
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been using the regular automotive Mobil 1 15W-50 for many oil changes. It's good stuff. Switched to the Mobil 1 gear oil recently. I like it, too.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used both the 15w50 and the V-twin specific 20w50 Mobil 1. I'm sure there's a reason why the V-twin oil is better, but I certainly can't tell from how the engine runs.

All this oil hoopla makes me wonder how we all survived with regular dino oil back in the day.
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Innes
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 04:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, Buellistic how much is 2 1/2 quarts in litres?
we ain't still living in the stone age over here!
Jus kiddin, I'll look it up in my new service manual from www.RepairManual.com ordered on line & to my door in a week! & about 20 bucks cheaper than a dealer over here!!
Now that's what I call service.
Stay shiny side up, au revoir,
Innes
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Bykergeek
Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2.5 qts x 0.946 liters / qt = 2.37 liters
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Djkaplan
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Next upgrade for my 2000 M2 is going to be an oil-cooler. I've narrowed my choices down to two aftermarket coolers, Jagg and Spurgin.

http://www.jagg.com/buell.htm

http://spurgin.iamw.com/cooler.html

Any suggestions, thoughts, comments? Could I retro-fit an XB cooler and duct to my tube framer?

Take your time gentlemen..., I have all winter.
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Easyflier
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DJ,

Here is a nice example of XB cooler on a tube frame Buell http://www.americanthunderbike.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=00 0204#000000
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Buellmeister57
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DEVDAWG

Thanks for the tip on getting my front isolator replaced. My only problem is the local dealer is pretty sorry when it comes to Buells.

Buelling in West Virginia
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Bomber
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spurgin lowered my oiol twmp by 20 degrees f on a 90+ track day . . . . . works very well, although it's not the prettiest thing on the bike (slight understatement) . . . . if I was doing it today, I'd likely go the XB route (still may, in fact)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easyflier,

Thanks for the link to the old thread on American Thunder Bike. The XB cooler installation looks neat and it would be fun to fab up a mount for it, but the location it's in looks way too susceptible to damage. Just falling off the sidestand looks like it would crush the whole thing.

Still, it looks pretty cool. Maybe if it was mounted higher. Hmmmm...
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Easyflier
Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure, in the photos it looks like he approximated the location on the XB. Not sure how much crash protection it offers on a tube frame model.
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One
Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 01:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The last discussion was on oil cooling but how about filtering? Is this filter worth over $119 from Nallin? I know you are asking to support our sponsors, is this a way to go? [update***] I see this filter was discussed way back in May along with a Ford filter. I could not find a definitive answer in that discourse, however so indulge me please in continuing my post.I even like the name for a thunderstorm's filter

edited by one on October 23, 2003
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, October 23, 2003 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I friend of mine that bought one says it's a real hassle to clean. He also says it creates a lot of hazardous waste he has to contain and recycle. He's also not sure if it really filters as well as claimed.

He misses the days when he could just twist a fresh filter on.
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, November 10, 2003 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll let you know...it's due for an oil change soon...a little parts cleaner should clean it up pretty easily...also...it seems a conventional filter creates more waste. It'd be nice to be able to see exactly what's being trapped in there.

...probably more practical for race use than a street application, though.
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Ara
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A fellow over on the XB section of the board has it that SportTrans is reall 20W-50 motor oil. Anybody know if that's so?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The viscosity is probably close, but it is not the same stuff. Just take a whiff of each! Pheeeww!
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Ara
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep, that doesn't work for me. No sense of smell. It's all the same to me whether it smells like gas, a skunk, or rotten eggs. Major drawback sometimes, but I was a dinamite diaper changer in my day!

So if SportTrans doesn't smell anything like motor oil, how can it be 20W-50 motor oil? I don't think that fellow is right at all, do you?

Anyway, I've been using the Mobil 1 gear oil for about a year on my '97 S3. No sign of slipage whatsoever and I think it may shift a little easier than it did when I was using SportTrans.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the sport trans is probably close to 20w50 semi synthetic with some serious (read: smelly) friction modifiers.

They are modifiers that work great, but can't be used in normal engine oil as if you were to burn them in your combustion chamber they would leave really damaging deposits.

So the sport trans oil has stuff added to it that makes it fantastic for high shear applications like gear boxes, but that you can't add to normal engine oil because you can't let it burn up.

I think.

But take it from me... the stuff really stinks. Pheeewwww!
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got into that Scotts re-usable oil filter finally. Interesting stuff. The magnet had a layer of steel paste on it. Kinda like what you find on the primary drain plug, just much finer in consistency. The filter element itself had a bit of what looked to be "bushing paste". Overall there wasn't a terrible lot of junk in there and it cleaned up easy with a rag and some aerosol parts cleaner. It's wild to see what comes out of your oil...a little scary even.

It only takes a few minutes to clean and I think creates less waste than disposing of an entire conventional filter.
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Steveford
Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know if this falls under the lubrication system of the KV or not but my 02 X1W had excessively loud valve train noise which began during the break-in period. At 3500 miles, the valve noise could be heard from 30 feet away through a closed garage door over a Wileyco cannister.
This was a hard one to diagnose until I finally put an air gun up to the oil pressure sensor's hole and gave it a blast of air; when the gun was removed copious quantities of sludge filled with aluminum dust and chips jetted out like something from a horror movie. IT Came from Milwaukee...
Here's a few things I learned which might prove useful to other tube frame owners:
At idle, you can expect to see one drop of oil emerging from the rocker arms once every second or two. That's it.
Oil pressure at highway speed should run somewhere between 20-30 PSI although it was a bit nip out today (around -40 with the wind chill at 80 MPH).
The Buell hydraulic lifters have been superceeded to those found in the H-D Big Twins.
It takes 1-2 minutes of running at idle for newly installed lifters to pump up, push the oil up the pushrods and to emerge from the holes in the rocker arms so be sure to use assembly lube on the reciprocating components.
Flooding the lifter's galley with oil pumped from the filter before lifter insertion is probably a good idea. Lifters have to be soaked face (oil hole) up in a pan of fresh oil until the air stops bubbling out.
To fit XB9 rocker covers on this model will require filing off a small section on the l/h corner of the front cover to clear the front isolator mount.
Finally, if your passegeway is full of swarf, be prepared to spend a lot of time cleaning out the cam cover, crankcase, pushrods and rocker arms with parts cleaning solution, brake or carb cleaner and compressed air. Once you're satisfied that everything is perfectly clean and free of obstructions, do it one more time!



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Shooter
Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oil Bag question...
Does anybody know if an S-1 oil tank and a M-2 oil tank are interchangeable??
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Sandblast
Posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey everyone. I am almost out of the break in period for my M2, and I want to drop the oil (at 500 miles) just to get her cleaned out. Problem is that all the HD dealers are closed, and will be tomorrow too, so I could not get a filter and oil. I ended up finding an old Chopper shop not too far from here, and he could not cross reference the Buell filter. I took a chance and bought a sportster filter made by "Custom Chrome". (please don't laugh, it is black I made sure). Anyway will it work? Are they the same filters for sportys and tube frames? It will only be on for 500 miles, until my 1000 hour service. Also what kind of oil should I throw in there for the 500 miles, that you can get at a parts store? And last will any of this void my expensive warranty? Thanks!
This M2 kicks ass!!!!!
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