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Thunderbolt22786
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys,
1997 s3, I dropped it about 4 months ago, broke arm.. whatever. It started jumping out of gear when I would be at a pretty hard lean angle, but only to the right at first, then it took less angle. Then it started to do the same at takeoff, it would go into gear and then kinda clunk again. went to ride it the other day and she would not shift from first to second real easy at all, wouldnt go ino third. Now ive pulled the primary cover. So Ive had bent shifter forks thrown at me, shifter pawl and maybe detent plate. What do you guys think.

Thanks alot

Justin
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like good advice so far. Also possibly primary chain/tensioner issues.
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Bad_karma
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 02:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Justin
Any pictures of the primary?
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Thunderbolt22786
Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could take some, but I dont have the clutch pack off yet. so I cant really see if the detent plate is off center or not, how much play should be in the shifter shaft, because mine has at least 3/8th of an inch in every direction. I think my primary chain tension is fine. I dont know about bending shift forks, those look pretty beefy and I wasnt "sportbike shifting" really. Could be the pawl or around that area I think. Ill know more when I get the clutch off. Thanks guys and if anyone has a better clue, let me know.

Justin
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Blake
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One other possibility is worn engagement dogs on the gears.

Are you able to sit on the bike, rock it fore/aft and get the transmission to shift through the gears all the way from 1st to 5th and back? Or put it on a rear wheel stand and try the same by constantly rotating the rear wheel back and forth while working the shifter shaft by hand.

The transmission section of Buell's old online 1997/98 S1 Service Manual provides additional information that may be helpful. Suggest you take some time and read through it carefully. It doesn't provide a troubleshooting section, but it will give you a good overview of all the components and adjustments involved.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One other very simple thing to check is transmission lubricant level. If the transmission/primary are even slightly over-filled, shifting can become very difficult.
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Thunderbolt22786
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No Ive tried to rock the bike into other gears, the fluid level is fine. The bike has 9000 miles on it. So I dont know exactly it make take to wear the dogs. I dont ride it hard alot at all and the guy before me was an older guy. But ill definatly check any possible causes.
Thanks guys

Justin
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Thunderbolt22786
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Found the problem. In the slot where the first and second shifter fork goes in the shift drum, it was raised up, like from an impact thus locking the fork into place. New shift drum and fork should fix the problem. The pins were also bent so I guess the impact from me dropping it was the cause. Thanks guys

Justin
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