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Tim
Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jason,
The S3 fairing is a "plug and play" install, I think it is the cleanest looking, if not the most expensive option.

Ccryder has a nice example of an "X3" posted in his profile, and I think Rex has an "M3".

Or try an archive search for "X3" "M3" or even "Givi" for more examples of what other people have done.

Tim
99 "M3" (still no picture in my profile)
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Jst
Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jason,
The Lockhart Phillips GP fairing is the steal of the century. It's under $50.00 delivered. I did have to do some trimming to get it just right. If you've got Crossraods bars no trimming is needed. Check my profile to see what it looks like on an Em Too. I got mine from Chapparal. I got a replacement windshield from Motorcycle acc. warehouse (don't ask, just be sure if you need to redrill the mounting hole in the shield, you use a dull drill bit).
JT
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Gtagrip
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looking for a little help here. I'm trying to get a little paint repair done on my S3T and am having trouble with finding the paint. Every shop I have been to says the paint code for Spark Red does not come up in the paint systems they use. Is there possibly a change in the paint code for this color. Any help would be greatl appreciated. Thanks
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Eastexsteve
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2002 M2L and I have noticed that the rear tail section under the seat is cracked in about four places close to the two rear mounting screws. My guess is from vibration. It is still under warranty, but is this a common occurrence? Is it an ongoing problem? What is the fix?
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Josh
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone interested in white powder coating? I'm talking to classiccoatings (the powder coaters Buell used) and their prices are a little high due to setup. If I can get more parts coated it will spread the setup around and might get the prices more reasonable.
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Court
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Is it an ongoing problem?

It is not. This is the first I have heard of any 2002 bodywork cracking. See your dealer and have him contact Buell.

Court
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Dave
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Help me ID this style lid...I thought it was for a 97/98 S3T but I'm told it is for an S2.

Can someone confirm?

036
http://webpages.charter.net/thunder1200/parts_036.JPG

035
http://webpages.charter.net/thunder1200/parts_035.JPG

Can someone provide a picture of the lid and latches from an S2 if this is not an S2 lid?

Thanks

DAve
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V2win
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DAve,
I know someone close to you with a 97 you could try it on. It looks like a 97. If you did not get them sold, check with me before you do.
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Henrik
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DAve; it's a lid for S2 saddlebags. That hook-a-magig latch is the give-away.

Henrik
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Eastexsteve
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, I wheeled my M2 over to Shreveport HD to let them have a look at the tail peice cracking under the seat. Whwn I informed them that the bike was still under warranty, their first response was "I dunno, we will have to call HD on this." What's not to know? So, I'm waiting to see what "good news" they will have in store for me when they call me back this week. Maybe I shouldn't be so pessimistic.
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Buellsht
Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eastexsteve last year my 2001 M2 also developed the same type of cracking under the seat. Buell did warranty the part but it took a few weeks to get it. My temporary repair was to drill small holes at the ends of each crack, scrape a groove down the entire length of each crack, and fill them with ABS glue. note: ABS glue will remove paint be careful. After I recieved the new tail section I examined why this happened and came up with this conclusion: The rear fender is attached to the tail and is fairly large, quite heavy made of plastic, and supporting a lic. plate. At anything under 3000 RPM you have a whole lot of shaking going on. So we have plastic, attached to plastic, attached to metal(the frame), shaking all over. Something is going to give. Final solution loose the rear fender, I replaced mine with a Banke.It's made of metal, bolts to the frame,and seems to add some support to the tail section.
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Toad
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Help with M2 Taillight Assembly

I have a 98 M2 and am replacing the tail section with a 99 and newer. It looks like the taillight turn signal assembly is glued to my 98 can this be removed? Will it fit the newer tail or do I need a new styl assembly?
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Blake
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I assumed the tail section came with the tail light and turn signal portion intact. I think you are right in that it is adhesively bonded to the tail section. I'd like to have your '98 tail section if you are willing to part with it. :]
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Toad
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2003 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No the new tailsection is bare and needs a complete light assembly.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Toad,
Why not just get a new light assembly?
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Madstuka
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i have a 98 S3. The color was billet and it had the thick decals, no blistering, no cracks. I had the bike painted with a high quality PPG paint a few months ago. The paint on the tank cracked in several places and is beginning to blister. AAAHHHHHHH. Anyhow, can anyone suggest a way to seal the blistered spot until I can have the bike repainted? Also, could this be bad paint? I read about the blistering decals but the spots that are cracking and blistering are not at the decal area. Is there a way to repaint without this happening again?
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Eastexsteve
Posted on Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK. I posted above that the tail section on my M2L had developed some cracks, and I rode it over to Shreveport HD to get some warranty service. When I mentioned the word "warranty" their response was "I dunno. We will have to call on this. We have never seen this." I guess they don't deal with Buells' much or they don't get on the internet much. Anyway, they took some digital pics of the cracks, and told me they would be getting back to me probably the next day. This was Tuesday two weeks ago.

I finally called them Monday last week to see what was up, and they responded that they had the tail section and to schedule a time to come in since it wouldn't take but "a few minutes" to repalce it. After juggling some scheduling days and the weather, I finally rode it in last Thursday at 10am sharp.

Now, I have been leary of dealing anymore with Shreveport HD due to two previous issues. The first, being that they sold me a 2001 motorcycle as a 2002. (We eventually got square on this.) And the second being that they wanted $40 to change a tire on a rim. I didn't take them up on this generous offer. However, since this was warranty work and they are the closest dealership to me, I figured that there wasn't too much they could screw up since this was on Buells' dime and not mine.

When I rode up, I noticed that at least one of the techs was a hot-rod Buell driver, so I felt a little more at ease. I went in and got the service writer to check me in, when he then asked me " your'e gonna wait on this?" I explained to him that was the whole purpose of scheduling this service call.

After milling around the showroom, I noticed that my bike was still parked at the curb 30 minutes later. Now at this point, I wish to make a few observations that I fell I am qualified to make since I used to work as a bike tech in my younger years for Honda, Kawasaki, and HD. I walked to the service window and peered in. I noticed plenty of tool boxes and plenty of bikes parked inside the service area, but I only saw one mechanic working. I did however, notice plenty of mechanics milling around outside, talking with customers, and walking to and fro. Also, somebody had something strapped to the dyno and was giving it a workout.

Approximately 45 minutes into the ordeal, a person who appeared to be the service manager came out to the front desk and assured me they we going to get "right on it." At that point, it wasn't a service tech that went to retrieve my bike, but it appeared to be the shop grunt. That's OK, he treated the bike with care and never started it. He pushed it all the way into the service area. This guy gets a gold star. However, I wish we had a shop grunt when I was wrenching on bikes. There were definitely plenty of techs standing around outside that looked like they needed something to do.

After my bike was placed inside the service area, It sat 20 more minutes without being touched. Still only one tech actually working in the service area. At this point, the guy who appeared to be the service manager began working on my bike himself. However, between running back and forth dealing with other issues and other bikes, he wasn't getting much accomplished.

At approximately 11:45, he was joined by another individual who appeared to be management material. Together, they were working on my bike. They finished it at 12 noon. They wiped the new tail section (and my tank) down with spray wax. This was nice of them. However, it wasn't until 12:15 that they actually wheeled my bike back out to the curb. Two hours and fifteen minutes to change a tail section on an M2. I was wondering if the techs outside were starting to suffer from heat stroke or sunburn since it was a warm spring day.

When the service manager told me it was ready to go, I asked him if there was anything I could do to keep this from happening again. His reply was to just ride it, and if it happens again, they will replace it again. This is not very reassuring since the bike won't be under warranty forever.

Now, one thing I can tell you, is that when I was a dealership mechaninc, we didn't have the luxury of wasting time. We always had plenty to do, and it was *ssholes and elbows all day. But, we were paid well because we worked hard. And, if a scheduled job came in, it went right on the lift and was done immediately. And, warranty work was not put off until later, and was just as important as customer-pay jobs.

After what I saw at Shreveport HD, Buell needs to be a separate entity from HD. HD obviously hasn't learned from the japanese bike dealerships how to make the combination of chrome cruisers and crotch rockets work to their advantage. When I worked in dealerships, we used to make it co-exist quite nicely. One can compliment the other. But, evidently HD hasn't figured this out.
Let's face it. Someone who has the money to spend on a decked out Road King has plenty of money and time on their hands. This isn't so for Buell riders. Like the japanese bikers, we are a different breed than hog riders. However, our money spends as well as anybodys.

One more note here. Everytime I have to go to Shreveport HD, I pass right by a Suzuki/Kawasaki/BMW dealership. I paid cash for my Buell. I can definitely afford one of these others.
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Shooter
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

trolling for ideas for aftermarket bodywork for a M2 framed racebike... willing to cut and mod.Any creative minds out there?

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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2003 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about the big XR750 roadracer tailsection? That'd look triiickk.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My carbon license plate holder got munched today. After making it I figured I could use about 1/2" more tire clearance under full compression according to the wheel travel in the service manual. I figured it was pretty unlikely to fully compress the rear suspension...proved that wrong today!
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Xrdude
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The header for this section has codes for just about all paint colors except the Ice White Pearl used on S1WL's- anybody got the code for that color too?
Charlie
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Rippin
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Madstucka,

Please post some pics' I would love to help but need a little more info. Sounds like possible solvent dissimalarities?! in sealers and topcoats.

Thanks Ryan
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Josh_
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Madstuka, I believe the reason the decals bubble is due to vapors escaping through the tank material get trapped under the decals where they pass (normally harmlessly) through the paint. Perhaps the paint you used seals better and trapped the vapors?
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gleaned from Sport Twin...

Production paint for 1995-1996 was supplied by Sikkens. The following formula should allow a Sikkens dealer to mix paint that will match the Buell factory color.


Ice White Pearl
1. Spray 3 coats Sikkens 00 Base.
2. Mix 2 parts Sikkens 333PB with 1 part Sikkens 666 Binder. Spray 3 coats.
3. Spray 3 coats Sikkens Autoclear.
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Wman
Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M-2 owners, to keep body work from cracking;first loose the tie downs if so equiped. Place 1/4 inch fender washers with 1/4 inch rubber fender washers underneathe. (availabe from Home Depot in hardware) I did this 4000mi ago,no more cracks.


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Blake
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wman,
I'm not quite following your instructions. Are you talking about modifying the connections where welnuts are used to fasten the tail section to the sub frame? What tie downs?

I'm on my 3rd M2, a '97 model, I've not seen any cracks, not even after crashing on the racetrack and scraping the left side of the tail section through to the plastic. Other than at idle, I don't operate the engine at its "shaky" speed either, under 2,700 rpm.

One more thought... Over-tightening of the welnuts might contribute to stress cracks in portions of the tail section surrounding them. Your fender washers and rubber washers would help to reduce that stress.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,
I believe he's talking about the 99+ M2s. They have a bad habit of cracking the tail sections where they bolt to the subframe.
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Wman
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake,
On 99 and later the four bolts that hold the tail are also used for tie-downs.(I haven't figured what they can be used for with the seat being so wide) The tie-downs are canvas with a brass eye which the bolts pass threw. The eye has a small ID and isn't even flat. I removed the tie-downs and replaced them with the fender and rubber washers,never had another crack.
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Blake
Posted on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put over 15,000 miles on a 2000 M2. Many of those miles included heavily packed soft saddle bags and tail bag/luggage. Never saw any cracks.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 00M2 also has never cracked or shown any signs of cracking.

Those tie downs actually work well. Get a couple of those cheapo caribiner like keychains from a home store or gas station or something, they will *just* thread through the end of the strap as it sticks out the seat. Note that two of them are longer then the other two and have to be in the right places, on my bike two needed to be relocated.

I then take a nice but cheap tank bag, turned backwards, and run the straps through the caribiners. I set it up with one of those nylon belt strap clips, and can pop the thing on and off in about 15 seconds to do oil changes. The back straps run back into the license plate holder. Instant tailbag.
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