| Author | Message | ||
     Petel |
Great replys, Thanks guys  . I can see there might be an issue with the oil pooling in the hose. I don`t think I made the exit point clear in my post,the hose exits way past the rear wheel/hugger and on the left as you sit on the bike almost at the number(licence?) plate. This should avoid puke splattering the tyre/hugger but would mean anyone following too close would get a face full of oil  Not my problem. I`ll test it tommorrow but I`ve fabricated a catch tank just in case. Thanks, Petel. | ||
| Aaron |
Good suggestion JQ, thanks. (note to self: do not ride behind PeteL!) | ||
| Jssport |
I took out out my umbrella valves and route my lines out seperatly to atmosphere. You can feel a little vacuum/pressure from the lines at low rpms but nothing above 3k. I'm happy with the setup. No runs, no drips, no errors. Jim S | ||
| Mikej |
Petel, I used to have a little Yamaha twin 2-stroke 180cc street bike that spit the little oil drops out the pipes. Many of them wound up on my back, and more on the tire and rear fender. Wind does amazing things to oil in a breeze. If it gurgles, it will get on your tire. That would be a neat way to deal with tailgaters though, if you could regulate the gurgles. I've got the dropped breather on the M2, and I do get some spray on the underside of the bike from it. | ||
| Ara |
Jssport, you TOOK OUT your umbrella valves? I never heard of anyone doing that before! How have you got your vent lines routed? | ||
| Blake |
Other points worth recalling... 1. Only check/replenish oil when engine is warm and just shut down. 2. Don't fill oil to full mark. Leave level at most halfway between full and low marks on dipstick. 3. Use a good brand synthetic oil of proper viscosity. 4. If oil spewage remains a problem, check compression and leakdown. Chances are, you have bad ring seal. | ||
| Roadrunr |
Just got my JAZ mini can today. Anyone see a problem with routing the hoses out the bottom of the airbox, up over the heads and down into the can? I would think the air passing the filter on the can would create enough vacuum to pull the spooge out of the low point in the lines. Or could I be totally wrong???  | ||
| Buellbob |
Chamfering the umbrella seat and drilling the drain hole larger is what " the cure " & "cure plus" says to do. Has anyone used these inserts? Do they work? I've only seen them mentioned once, but it was pretty vague info. Bob | ||
| Buellistic |
ATT: Buellbob Follow the directions in the kit. This product improvement update does work... Also have a 97 S3T and did this mod on the secon rocker arm cover leaks..... BUT the solution is to update to the FACTORY UPDATE as in the breather setup used on the BLAST and FIREBOLT. BUELLISTIC and/or Hardley-Harley | ||
| Ara |
Roadrunr, Nope, that's the wrong solution. What will happen is that the liquids will pool at the lowest point of the vent lines before they go up over the heads and act as a "liquid plug" blocking the gasses. This will largely make your investment in the Jazz can useless. Use gravity to your advantage and route your hoses accordingly. Put your can at a level below the breather fittings and make the lines go downward to the can. Russ | ||
| Leeaw |
Buellistic, Follow the directions in what kit? Chamfering the umbrella valve seat seems like a no brainer, but where is the drain hole. I have my hoses going up and suffer no ill effects, but probably will reroute them down. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I have my vent lines tee'd into one line and routed up and over underneath the tank before going to my fabricated catch can. I have been constantly checking these lines and can find no evidence of a spooge plug. I empty a teaspoon full in my catch can after every ride though. Has any one ever found a "liquid plug" in their vent lines before? | ||
| Ara |
Djkaplan, You might find some spooge if you unplug your breather lines from the breather fittings and blow compressed air through them from the other end. Also, if you have your breather fittings pointed up there may be liquid in them and in the head behind them. You can check that with a length of wire wound about a scrap of cloth and used as an absorbent probe. | ||
| Bomber |
DJ . . .that'a an aye on the spooge plug . . . . .had my hoses runnin up and over to the left side, so's I could drain the catch can on the ground, rather than on the scoot . . . .after about 10k mile in this configuration, the week of 98+ weather seemingly had an effect on the spooge level . . . . . the lines back up enough so the leakage from the banjos (always just barely present, but easily dealt with durin the weekly waashing) really increased . . . rerouted the hoses down between the cylinders last niiight . . .will report when I get some miles | ||
| Petel |
Djkaplan: I have the same(or similar) set-up. Both head breathers into a "t piece" above the carbs. Over the rear head and down into a catch-can. From there up and exits at the rear license plate. The can has a drain and all I get is clear fluid from it. No puke anywhere and no traps in the breather hoses. I`ve had the airbox off recently and it shows no traces of puke flow back into the header breather bolts. I suppose as long as the hose dos`nt go too far above the outlets the engine has enough "breath" to blow any crap over the highest point then gravity takes over and the can "catches" the puke. It works for me. Petel. UK 02 M2. | ||
| Buellbob |
Buellistic Thanks, but I don't seem to have a puke problem. I finally got around to gutting my breadbox this weekend past and the tube had a very light coating of oil in it just where the vent tube pushes on and the carb throat was spotless, no oil or anything, so I'll leave things alone until I have a problem. Bob | ||
| Jsunstar |
i need to know if i should put a hose on the nipple (oil hose size)that is on the case behind the cylinders? this nipple is sticking up under the battery and doesnt have a hose on it and it looks like it should and i think its blowing oil out of it... im geting alot of oil back there and i think that is where its coming from...the manual says very little about this... what is this nipple and should there be a hose on it??? tia | ||
| Bomber |
I think it's your tranny/clutch breather, star . . . . it should definately have a hose on it . . . . .did from the factory . . .. is the nipple pointing horizontally? | ||
| Jsunstar |
its sorta pointing up and forward. should it get routed to the ground? the parts book says theres a breather tube, a clamp and a hose. the manual shows a hose but it doesnt say where to route it... Im not sure why it wasnt there in the first place. I bought the bike used. It wasnt there when i got it. I was getting a little confused with the breather part. I understand the head breather for the most part, what was throwing me off was this breather. Id like to get this thing running right and ride it to deals gap this fall... i still have exhaust issues tho...im reading...ill figure it out! thanks | ||
| Bomber |
when stock, it was routed toward the ground (go to a dealer, if possible, and chck out a new scoot for the "factory" routing . . .. I've got mine hanging about halfway past the rear shock, with a little K&N filter on it (no, the breather won't inhale, but the K&N catchs waht little come out on exhale) exhaust issues? it's a large, well populated club you belong to! what kind issues? | ||
| Blake |
The tranny vent sure does inhale. When it cools it draws in ambient air. | ||
| Jsunstar |
so a little filter would help? i dont want it sucking in anything. ill vent it under the bike, thanks all for the info. as for the exhaust, i posted some stuff in that topic, any help there is appreciated... thanks all! | ||
| Blake |
With the tranny vent, I think the best approach is to run the line upwards so that any oil has a chance to drain back into the tranny, then run it back down to wherever you wish. I've never put an filter on mine. | ||
| Bomber |
star . . .as always, when given a choice between following my advice and Blakes . . . . .always, ALWAYS go in alphabetical order . . . .. ;-} | ||
| Jsunstar |
Thanks fellas, i assume the oil like substance (gear oil?) all over that part of the bike is from that. Ill put a hose on it and make it go up...i appreciate it | ||
| Madstuka |
A small K&N breather filter came with my Force intake. Where is the best place to put it? Pat | ||
| Leeaw |
Madstuka, I would say the trash. I tried it under my seat and it would spew on the rear, and they get clogged after a while. I did away with it and ran the hose down near the swingarm, and just the open hose. | ||
| Az_M2 |
I had my breathers routed to the rear, under the tail section, not quite to the tail light. Lots of oil mist would collect and was a pain to clean. This weekend I finally capped it off near the battery.  | ||
| Scot |
I have tried something new to stop the misting out of my catchcan filter.I bought some of that breather cottony/foam material and cut a piece that sits inside the top of the catchcan so the mist has to go through a filter before it gets to the external filter.Its been about 2 weeks now without any mess. One thing though,the airflow was not quite as free flowing as before.Not sure what effect that will have. | ||
| Totway |
Just finished a redesign on the breathers, I put t's right off the breather and ran a hose connecting the breathers above and below the aircleaner with another t to the catchcan/filter. There isn't much space to mount lower but I figure with the breathers connected above and below it shouldn't form a fluid "plug" Tim  |
