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Surveyor
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Daves,
I was wrong you were right...I should have known!
(see http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/126253.html)
I just got back from the track and my Sebring pipe was dragging all over the place, it almost had me off. This didn't happen before I fitted SuperCorsa Pros which maybe have a lower profile and certainly have more grip than anything else I've used. This exhaust cost me €900 so I'll be contacting Remus/Sebring for an explanation as it is properly fitted and my pegs weren't grounding so I reckon this is a design flaw particularly in a race pipe.
Sorry about the picture quality.
Sebring exhaust after groundingSebring exhaust after grounding
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Daves
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I hate to tell you "I told you so" but?
On the bright side, you must be going pretty fast for that to happen! Good Job!
Just let it grind to fit.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dremel an angle tip back 1 cm from the top of the tip to 1 cm in from where the pipe is done being dented in...not the end of the black, but the end of where that dent seems to stop. That should give you the clearance you need.
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Cmm213
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At least you can brag about your pipe dragging, looks like you gave that tire hell.
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Surveyor
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I need to broaden my apology to cover all the other people I misled in the previous thread.....OK guys I was wrong.
I've complained to Remus/Sebring about the problem and I'm awaiting their reply. The very least they owe me is new underwear. I'll post the details of their reply when I get it.
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Surveyor
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

......of their reply, not the underwear.
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Trojan
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 04:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the UK the Remus/Sebring pipe is sold as a road pipe rather than a race item (hence the Emark and removeable baffles). During road use this problem just doesn't occur, although we know of plenty of instances of this happening on track days etc. Some of our customers who do a lot of track days have cut the tail pipes at an angle to prevent this happening. The tail pipes are only this long to begin with in order to accomodate the street baffles, so for race/track use they can be shortened to suit.
I think that Remus are aware of this already (as well as the oil filter removal problem) and will probably address it in future models.
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Surveyor
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trojan, I take your point, however the reseller (who I better not name) identifies the system as being for track use. The tail pipe is more than long enough to accommodate the baffle so it can be cut. I always understood that pipe length was calculated for optimal evacuation of exhaust gases, so won't cutting it reduce the efficiency of the pipe? After paying €900ish for a system I don't expect to have to carry out crude modifications to it. More importantly the pipe as sold represents a serious risk both to the user and to other riders on the track as it lifts the back wheel when grounded.
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Surveyor
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trojan, can you help me out with anymore details on your customers experience on road or track with the Remus/Sebring pipe grounding. I'm doing battle with them and they claim that there is no record of this problem before now...I find this hard to believe. BTW I can change my oil filter without any problem from the muffler brackets etc.
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Surveyor
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got word from my dealer that Remus/Sebring now say that 'this problem' (tail pipes grounding) did exist but was resolved by modifying the design by shortening the tail pipes........and that my muffler is the "improved" model!!! .....doesn't sound like I'm going to get anywhere with this so it's time to start cutting, I'll post images once the job is done.
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Dana P.
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Surveyor the pipes look round.Is it possible to get a pipe cutter on it??If so it would insure a perfect cut.
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Surveyor
Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dana, I'm going to cut as little as possible and at an angle (like a mitre cut) so I don't think a pipe cutter will work. I'm also going to have to try to finish or polish the cut edge so it doesn't rust. The whole thing is a bad deal and whatever I do it's going to be a bodge.
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Trojan
Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 05:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It won't rust as the pipes are stainless steel. Cutting back the tailpipe length by around 2" on this shouldn't affect performance at all but will certainly give you much better clearance.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the future please post topics like this to the applicable topic in the Knowledge Vault. We'll be moving this one there soon. Thanks for helping to get BadWeB organized. : )

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Surveyor
Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I took the Remus/Sebring muffler off and refitted the stock muffler. I arranged to have an engineering shop cut the tailpipes on last Saturday and then missed the appointment and they were closed when I got there. On Monday I got a mail from my local shop to say that Remus/Sebring were replacing my muffler with a new modified version provided I could return the original muffler UNALTRERED........lucky or what?? I'll post pics of the new muffler once I get it fitted and tested at a track day on 17 October.
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Surveyor
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The nice people at Remus/Sebring supplied me with the new muffler as promised. I fitted it and did a track test today and guess what.....the pipe is dragging on both sides. In fairness the problem is much reduced and the pipe is not lifting the back wheel so I can live with it. While Remus/Sebring have been more than fair in dealing with the problem I don't think the pipe is really suitable for track use....it sounds great though.
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