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Surveyor
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I realise that I should probably post this on the Knowledge Vault but as this thread started here I'll finish it here. Thanks to all who tried to help me previously but NONE of the oils recommended were available here in Ireland so I've gone with the following in my XB9R;
Engine; Rock Oil TRM 20W60 Full Synthetic
Transmission; Rock Oil 75W90 synthetic gear oil

I realise there is an argument about using ATF instead of gear oil but I'm going with the conservative option.
The TRM is a new synthetic oil for use with V Twins and cranks with roller and ball bearings.

Any thoughts from the oil nerds in the community....please tell me I've got it right this time?
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Bubabuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

20/60 seems pretty heavy for your neck of the woods. I use it in the summer here in L.A. when temps are (like now) hovering around 100+.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the consensus is that any synthetic of the appropriate weight and from a reputable company will work. Like many others here in the U.S., I use Mobil 1 15W50 and 75W90 because it is widely available a little cheaper from a major chain of stores.

Jack
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Brucelee
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would not use the 20W-60. The heavier oil will run hotter, hurt your MPG and is not needed in your climate as far as I can see.
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Surveyor:

Lets cut the BUELLschitte !!!

You should be able to run SYC3 20w-50(and in trans.) in the summer there, "BUT" the DEALER
will tell you what the FACTORY(BMC) would
recomend for your area ... You could check
with "ROCKET" as he knows ...

In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Brucelee
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The manual specifies viscosity recommended. If I recall correctly, 60 wt is recommended for temps well over 100 degrees only.
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brucelee:

Then SYC3 20W-50 will work just fine !!!

In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Brucelee
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Brucelee:

Then SYC3 20W-50 will work just fine !!!

In BUELLing
LaFayette"

Re-read the posts! I never said it would not! I was commenting on the use of 20W-60, which I indicated was too heavy for his climate.
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Denfromphilly
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As long as we are on oils, the X1 Files makes a point that Mobil 1 is GL5 rated. It contains sulfur her and that's a corrosion risk for copper like the stator and the copper alloy in the syncro's. I put Mobil 1 75W90 in mine a few weeks back and it shifts like a dream but as I need to replace the shifter bushing I am going back to HD Sport Trans dino-synth. For what it's worth...Any ideas?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Having run mobil 1 gear oil for maybe 7000 miles before I pulled the tranny on my Cyclone, I saw zero evidence of corrosion on my shifter forks or stator.

As for the stator, I don't think any of the copper is exposed... or once it is, the stator is already on a one way trip to the dumpster anyway regardless of corrosion.

(Message edited by reepicheep on September 02, 2005)
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Blake
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Reep says. My nose tells me that the HD Sport Trans likely has the same stinky EP additives. Also, not sure the sulfur compounds as disolved in transmission oil bath are corrosive to copper.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 08:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sulpherized oils have been a mainstay in machine shops for years to help with heavier cutting loads (threading, parting off, etc.). I've never heard any mention of it being associated with a corrosion problem and not seen any unusual corrosion on machines that had spent many years virtually covered with it.

Jack
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Surveyor, I've posted some info in the previous thread you started and I fail to see how you're having a problem sourcing ANY oil in Ireland.

A credit card and phone call to the 'mainland' should see you well sorted.

Another possibility - surely there's a Hein Gerike store somewhere in Ireland. They stock Shell and Motul brands. Both manufacture top line synthetics too suitable for your needs.

Rocket
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Surveyor
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocketman,
Hard to believe isn't it but it's true. Nearest Hein Gerike is Belfast and mail order oil is too ridiculous for words. However there may be a happy ending, I've put Rock Oil 75w90 syn and Rock OilXRB in it and the bike is transformed....a track day tomorrow will be the acid test. BTW I have a 748r and a 900 aero great minds or what?
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Paul, Demon Tweeks have a good range of oils and they ship worldwide including Ireland.

If that doesn't help let me know your preference and I'll ship it to you.

Great minds it is mate LOL

Rocket
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Surveyor
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sean,
thanks for that. I did an "arduous" track day yesterday and the Rock Oils worked well...the gearbox was much slicker and the bike didn't get as hot as previously so I'm pretty impressed and will stick with the Rock Oil for the moment.
Thanks again.
Surveyor
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