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Sportyeric
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The price of this paint astounded the partsman at my local automotive store. Cdn$160/quart=US$120. It was right at closing time so he wouldn't elaborate but said there was no alternative. I'll be trying some others tomorrow, but would anyone hazard a guess as to why one certain colour would be much more than another? I would have thought that guys at body shops that are matching colours on crashed cars would just do it by eye and pay the same price regardless of colour. And do I recall that Snap Red is a common Ford colour, or some such thing? This is for my saddlebags, BTW.
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Firemanjim
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Snap Red is an Alfa Romeo color if I remember correctly and any competent body man can get it--or should.Let me know as my painter found it for me.

(Message edited by firemanjim on June 27, 2005)
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Road_thing
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FMJ: My local Dupont paint store can't seem to match the number I got out of the KV--do you have an alternative number?

Eric: Don't ask me why, but red paint is always more expensive. $120/qt seems a bit extreme, though. Is it Imron or something exotic?

rt
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Dave
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reds usually do cost more...
...I recall it was a Ford color as well. (*perhaps* '85 Mustang SVO Jalapena red)

or maybe not http://www.buell.qweb.nl/ikonboard/printpage.cgi?forum=6&topic=286

Red Snap
1. Spray 3 coats Ford 87-88 color code FA87:RS.
2. Spray 3 coats Sikkens Autoclear.

Imron is a type of paint...Polyurethane enamel

...and if all else fails...There are people @ the Buell factory that still have the paint/ paint code.

DAve

(Message edited by dave on June 27, 2005)
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Bluzm2
Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Road,
It should be a PPG color.

I'll ping Court tomorrow, maybe he can help clear it up.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 04:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mail me the year, model and color Buell you are wanting to match.

Be CERTAIN to put the model and color in the subject line and include your contact info.

I'll get the material and process to you promptly

Court
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Road_thing
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, Brad, I've got the PPG code from the KV, but my paint guy can't find it in his books. He's a duPont dealer and, just between you & me, he ain't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you catch my drift...

I'll try the Ford code on him.

rt
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I mistakenly took the "Spark Red" code from the KV to my auto store. (75056). He said his charts on the PPG website showed 75054, then 75058. 75056 doesn't seem to exist, if that's what Roadthing is looking for. Good thing or I would have been buying the wrong colour as well.I need "snap Red" 75050
Court. You've got mail.
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is what I have learned about paint:
Modern paint technology involves a "base" coat of colour followed by a clear-coat. The clear-coat is not optional. A "base" coat has a flat texture and requires the clear-coat to gloss it up. Base coats are expensive. Reds and yellows more than the rest. But all "bases" are expensive. The price I was quoted was just for the paint. Additives of hardener, reducer, and flex agents double the bill. Then comes the (two part) clear-coat.
A cheaper alternative is to go somewhat old-school. (And I'm all about old-school, to quote my favorite movie.) Acrylic urethane. Doesn't have to be clear-coated, but can be. Also needs all the afore-mentioned additives. On the brighter side of additives: the volumes are such (a pint of this, a pint of that, half a pint of the other, to a pint of paint) that it will not be necessary to purchase a quart of paint for my project. A pint of paint will result in over three pints of liquid to run through the spraygun. Price for this still exceeds $200Cdn. Ouch!
Cheaper alternative still: acrylic enamel. $130Cdn and chips easy. Hard to find compatable clearcoat. Not good value for the savings, IMHO.
I'm not sure that the original paint on my bike is of sufficient quality to merit $200 saddlebag paint. A complete DIY paint job would be an entertaining project for 2006, although I feel a little sacriligous messing with the historic value of the original paint. Since I've promised my soft-bags to a riding bud for SPLASH, in two weeks, I'm removing the project from the to-do list with the purchase of a rattlecan of GM Torch Red.
Now I know why my Sportster paint job cost so much!
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Other learnt stuff. Take the bodywork in to the auto shop. Mine had a spectral analyzer, like at Home Depot, that simply looks at what you've got and gives a formula for a match. Better than having the original code since it acknowledges the effect of ten years of sunlight. (Needs a fairly flat section to work properly.)
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Suzypoozie
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a snap red Buell that needs some repainting also...so Sportyeric, did you find the best way to match was to go to an auto body shop? How did your project turn out?

Suzy
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Bluzm2
Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suzy,
Check here for the PPG paint code..

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/3595.html
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