| Author | Message | ||
     Ryker77 |
Just bought an 02 x1 with pcIII that hs never been tuned. Having just bought the bike I can't really afford to pay the local bike dyno guy 250.00 to tune it. Has anybody installed an air/fuel ratio gauge like http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/Marriott/x1/#FI with the high performance 02 sensor? the x1 link says it worked with a the HD 02 sensor. I'd sure rather spend 75.00 on a guage that I can keep and use. Then spend 250.00 to trust somebody to tune the bike. | ||
| Soundman |
Ryker, That is my bike on the X-1 site. From my experience, you have to use a wideband o-2 gauge to work with your sensor.The standard one will read wrong. I think Autometer has one made for wideband but im not sure. I have seen a Norskog digital gauge before that should work. Without a dyno run you won't really know what range on the gauge is the best for power, but it will at least tell you if you are running absurdly rich or lean. The wideband sensors and gauges give a much steadier readout than the standard lambda setup. Soundman. | ||
| Ryker77 |
I checked out summitracing.com and the autometer gauges is only for narrow band 02 sensor. Just not sure what the "high performance" 02 sensor is. So the stock 02 sensor is narrow band.. I did find this out "The O2 sensor that K&N puts out for the Power Commander is actually from a 90/91 3.8 liter Ford Thunderbird part# F1SZ-9F472-A" From what I've read the 02 sensor is just faster and has four wires. I wouldn't think a 1990 Thunderbird would be wide band. makes some nice plug in connections http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=430913&prmenbr=361 --------- | ||
| Sssss3girl |
Ryker, I have the PCIII on my S3, and yes, you need the wide-band O2 sensor to run that. I also have an air/fuel gauge that was on the bike when I bought it, so I don't know about installation, but it really helped me zero in on problems when changing out things like the air intake, etc. But I agree, you really should put the bike on the dyno to make sure it's tuned in all RPM ranges...it made a world of difference on my bike. Good luck! | ||
| Ryker77 |
and yes, you need the wide-band O2 sensor to run that To run what? the gauge or the hipo PCIII 02 sensor? I wouldn't think a wide band 02 sensor would be used on a Ford Thunderbird..? (Message edited by ryker77 on June 12, 2005) (Message edited by ryker77 on June 12, 2005) | ||
| Craigster |
It's not a wideband O2. It's just a different narrow band unit. Wideband O2s use a special controller not the simple 0-1 volt guages you can buy for anywhere from $19 to $50. Plan on around $350 for an Inovative LM1 (uses Bosh LSU4) $400 for Tech edge (uses either Bosh LSU4 or NTK L1H1) or the DIY-Wideband (L1H1) - board costs $15, components another $10. Power supply and knowledge....that's up to the user. L1H1 Sensor is currently $175. the wideband commander (LSU4) runs around $500...and it's just a wideband unit, not actually a Power Commander. Of course I believe the dyno is the only way to tune..but I'm biased. I have to admit the PCIII works far better with the DJ-high performance (Ford) Part. | ||
| Ryker77 |
thanks for the info craig.  | ||
| M1combat |
$250 sounds like a lot for a tune. I had my 12R tuned with a PCIII for 180... That was for two pipes on the same day. 1.8 hours total. |
