| Author | Message | ||
     Nevco1 |
Mike...I really don't know. All I do know is that Jason and I were designated to bring up the rear and watching the train function flawlessly from the caboose was fascinating. It was identical to the troop movement reg's they require in the military. The only other ride I have been on utilizing the crossing guards was the Breast Cancer ride out of Wisconsin HD and that ride was totally coordinated with the state and local police. My question is...Is it legal to use crossing guards and block traffic without coordinating with the authorities? I should think that the POT would address this. edited by nevco1 on February 05, 2004 | ||
| Mikej |
Basically, it is not legal, but since it never really happened, and since it could have been considered as a conditioning exercise for the following mass-insertion of thousands of HOG-riders, perhaps it might have been overlooked by the few blue light specials that observed the migration and chose to just watch in case some 4-wheeler decided to get bothered by the whole affair. Technically you need permissions and approval and route submissions, functionally sometimes one does what one has to does sometimes one does. I wasn't there, it wasn't me, and besides my bike is black not white.  | ||
| Cj_xb |
I'm with Mikej (whatever he just said), you have rules but you can carry any rule to an extreme, what ever they did it worked and well !!! I've ridden many times informally and some in the group have blocked an intersection on occasion to keep us all together, but like mike said we weren't there, wasn't us, didn't do it !!! LOL CJ  | ||
| Nevco1 |
Was just wondering in reference to the rides and major troop movements for the Homecoming. I would think that it won't be as easy to manage as a typical club ride simply by merit of the numbers much less anything else. Hmmm...Dyna might know. He was a Hog road captain and might have some experience with major troop movements. | ||
| Bomber |
Not legal, but often performed . . . . . I've seen it done with as few as 10 bikes (although that may be overkill) and as many as I could see (which really got folks cranky) I think riders got major get out of jail free cards near the Brew City last year . . . . .may not always be the case, though . .. . major troop movements in urban and suburban envrionments are best handled by splitting up into groups of 10/20 (able to slide through one green light period) and infiltrate to a common destination . . .. . from the Little Red Book (Chairman Mao), I'm thinking being a small school of fish will get is further quicker than a larger school . . . . . but, hell, I'm a shadey tree limb, and what do I know? | ||
| Bads1 |
Bill I spoke with Jerry and he said that these routes are going to be self guided.So I think that whatever Peggy ok's as far as routes she will provide maps.So basically hook up with some buddy's and choose a route and do it.Much easier Hey??? | ||
| Nevco1 |
Dana, that is great news. Looks like your staffing requirement will slim to none and you will be able to participate in the festivities. Guess I am going to have to track down some HOG road captains to get the answer. The curiosity is killing me. LOL Yeah, I know...Not Quick Enough! | ||
| Dynarider |
Bill, none of the road blocking is legal. We..by that I mean the HOG chapter will usually contact the local police & sheriffs dept...its a little easier for me since we have cops & deputies & even a state patrol officer in the chapter. They will block for us & also allow us to cover the smaller intersections. Most cops will look the other way if the blocking is done for a toy run or if there are 50-75 or more bikes. 1 run we had permission from the local law to block a few intersections off because we had a toy run involving over 700 bikes. But then while we were in the process of blocking of 1 road a state patrol pulled over the 3 of us who were doing the blocking & threatened us with jail, tickets etc. We told him we had permission & all he would say is " you didn get permission from me". So yes there are exceptions to the rule. BTW we didnt get any tickets. As far as Brag & the whole planning deal goes, sorry of this ruffles any feathers..but screw em. They come to the dealerships, ban our patch, treat us like dirt & then we are supposed to help? And they dont even ask if the dealerships will help, they basically nominated us without even asking. Lets see now $75 for the event & this covers a day at Road america & I believe a dinner at lake lawn lodge,better be a hell of a dinner for $45. The rest has been thrown in the dealers laps. Non competitive B-trax..hm wonder why they are calling it that....cant consider it a race now can they  I love it when shit comes around. Isnt that same weekend as Ukes open house? Keith cant be too happy about getting stuck with planning for events that will possibly lead to people going to other destinations besides his store. I know he had Bubba blackwell & B-trax scheduled a long time ago, wonder if Brag is going to horn in on that & claim it as a Brag event? | ||
| Bads1 |
Brag isn't horning in on Bubba Blackwell or the Battletrax at all.There actually unhappy we are doing it.As far as price I think its somewhat fair.Figure a dinner at Lake Lawn has got to be at the cheapest $25.00.Having Reg come for a Battletrax isn't cheap either.If I remember the 2000 homecoming was $55.00 so tack on 20 more for the race ticket.One thing that I think she should have done was leave the race ticket opptional.That way people that do not or cannot attend the race aren't paying for something they don't want or can't use.Then they have the T'shirts and pins etc.But I know she's planning on food at the factory as well.I think she's planning more food then I have seen at past homecomings. | ||
| Dynarider |
Dana...I bet they announce Bubba blackwell & the Ukes B-trax as a part of the "brag" festivities. I dont think it would be right of them to do so, but wouldnt suprise me if they did. I agree the race ticket should be optional. I would be willing to bet that a large number of people wont attend any races & could care less about them...thats nothing against those who do want to attend & look forward to it. I wonder if anyone from our local area would be willing to make the trip to lakelawn for dinner? Its a pretty far cruise for some grub. And that reminds me of the deals gap dinner. It was upposed to be like $20 a person. But then for some reason the hotel wanted to charge us more..cant recall the reason, but we were all sitting in the room when the shit was hitting the fan. It was a buffet & seriously was not worth the $$$. A number of us decided against it & ordered off the regular menu. It was funny as hell when our food came. We got better stuff for half the price...something to keep in mind about lakelawn..will a regular menu be available? Still chuckling about the non competitive B-trax. Whats the point?? Will they even have lap timers?? If so, why? Its non competitive | ||
| Bads1 |
They didn't want Uke's to have a Battletrax because they don't want everyone hanging out at any dealership all day.they said they wanted this event focused more on riding.Ukes on the other hand is going to do it regardless.Bubba being there was really booked for there openhouse kinda a bonus for us.Focusing on riding sounds great but not everyone wants just to ride,they want battletrax,bench racing,tire kicking and relaxation.I think a event like a national homecoming event should have something for everyones enjoyment.I think the event will be a succsess because people are going to take part in what they want. | ||
| Dynarider |
Focusing on riding sounds great but not everyone wants just to ride,they want battletrax,bench racing,tire kicking and relaxation. HOLY SHIT & OH MY GOD!!!! Yall are learning now. Thats exactly what I stated last year when the ideas for all these rides started popping up for the 20th. Compared to a lot of other states, our roads suck, the Kettle is decent as is the Holy hill area, but they are still a cruise & for people who have traveled any distance, they are tired & most likely just want to kick back & take it ez. Look what happened last year. We spent more time just sitting in the hotel parking lot drinking Glens budweiser & bullshitting And I dont understand why Brag would want the event more focused on riding. Hmm have an event & then the best you offer is "self guided tours"? Harley does that for their national events & they are boring. You go to these events to meet people, not see the states largest dogwood tree by yourself. | ||
| Dynarider |
And heres another idea..instead of..or maybe in additon to the Road america stuff, why couldnt Brag offer fishing trips on lake michigan? Charter a few boats & take those who are interested. Or rent a bowling alley for the day..you ever see what happens when you get a hundred drunk bikers bowling? Its hilarious & everyone has a great time. Instead they take the cheap & ez way out, have the dealers do all the grunt work & then they will reap the praise.Now I hope Keith has a great day & everyone attends there & has nothing to do with Brag. | ||
| Bads1 |
I'll tell ya what though Dyna.The experience I got last year helping organize the 20th taught me alot. | ||
| Dynarider |
Yep..people just want to hang out & bs. A little riding is ok too, but I would say that most everyone just wants to hang out, drink, eat & bs. They can plan all these fancy rides they want & it wont amount to shit. Look at B-trax. Its not really an event about riding, its more about people just hanging out for the day, bsing, goofing off, having fun, eating etc. Look at last years deal & what do people remember? Drinking Bud, hanging out, getting Tats, & Hooters. Nobody says anything about riding. | ||
| Bads1 |
Just hanging out with all the people I talk to and have met through a incommon interest means the most to me.Ukes club and Hals will try to do some routes for Peggy/BRAG and help where we can.For me though I'm looking forward to my wife riding this year.She's all signed up for the second week of May riders edge class.So she's excited to meet more people involved around this board and Buells.I don't know if she'll be ready for a long ride out to the Kettle if not I'll have to hang back until she's ready.I want her to feel confident on the bike and what she's doing. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Yep, yep, yep...go away for a few hours and the dialog really opens up. LOL Got to admit Dyna was right about the riders doing the R&R thing here. They did just what they wanted to do and had a great time. Sounds like hanging under a shade tree or around the pool at Lake Lawn might not be a bad way to spend a few days. Beats moving the picnic tables to the shady side of the motel's parking lot. And no, I am not busting anyone for last years accommodations. Don't think I heard a single complaint about them anyway. Looks like the Homecoming will be a lot of fun. Does anyone know what the room rate will be at Lake Lawn? | ||
| Dynarider |
I dont know how much Hals club will do...they are kinda small now days & Jerry will be busy with the pregnant wife or maybe even the baby by then. Maybe it will all fall on Toms shoulders? In any event its a thankless job. | ||
| Bads1 |
Lets just say I hope Peggy is savvy enough to get a good group rate.I do know they used Lake Lawn in the past for the 2000 homecoming and had good attendence so it should be ok. | ||
| Dynarider |
PS Dana, instead of the riders edge course & the good chunk of $$ it costs, why didnt you sign the wife up for the course done at Gateway? Its dirt cheap & they are regular msf instructors. Its where my wife went & she had a great time. They use 250 hondas & suzukis. I want to say we only paid around $50 or so. |
