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Xb12mel
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
So here it is. Here are the dates:

April 4th
April 25th
May 9th
May 30th
June 20th
Aug 15th
Sept 26th
Oct 10th
These are all for the Frederick Community College location. There are other dates at Harris Community College, but this location cost more.

Lets first see who all would be interested in taking the class. Then those who are can discuss the date.
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Xb12mel
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I'll start, Count me in!
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Xb12rdavid
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Mel,
I want to take one, and with the way things are going. May time frame is better for me.
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Xb12rdavid
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I will probably have a "new" bike by then.
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Mel you know that me and Moose are in
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Frinzo
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I WANT 2! I WANT 2! but i cant : ( deployment reasons...ughhh
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Mel I tried the turns today like Lee was showing at the seminar and man does it work great I cannot wait to go through the class.
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Xb12mel
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Ok, so the book does come in handy huh? Well read man read!!!
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Here is a link to Lee's website if anyone wants to check it out.

http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/
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Nillaice
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
i'd like to go. it'd definitely be worth it, but pencil me in until after taxes.
if i go, may 30th'd be my opportunity.
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Tank_bueller
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
This is totally a good investment to force yourself to learn control of your motorcycle!

I have no doubt that I could learn a thing or two as well....but....

We all could take time to do the drills in an empty lot somewhere, and save a few bucks. It says plainly on the site, that if you crash your bike, it's your problem not theirs. They have Liability insurance for damage to the rented property, and thats about it.

...Just sayin'


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Puphaphil
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
My deployment got pushed back 'til 10 May, so anytime between now and then would be cool for the empty parking lot practice, especially if you all wanna do the course in May.
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Frinzo
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
i might be able to go, but may not, i will see what day u guys go on, april is deffently a no go for me..
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Nillaice
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
has any body all ready read the book?
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
has any body all ready read the book?

Yes. And after reading this thread I broke it out again. One thing I did notice is that a lot of his examples are "borrowed" from Keith Code.

As an example . . . Keith Code has always used the example of "you have $1.00 to spend . . . . how much goes to traction, braking, cornering, etc". Parks used precisely the same analogy but divides a pizza among Mr. Traction, Ms. Braking and so forth . . .

A great deal of it is common sense but simply skimming through is a good reminder, at least for me, of some areas I want to polish up as riding season approaches.

I have no interest, per se, in racing. Track days are fun but my big deal is to be the most skillful I used to write quite a bit about this stuff and used to do a column on winter and spring time riding) highway rider I can be.

I, for example, am just as concerned with the zone around the bike, my "sight picture", quick efficient fuel stops when I am "miling" and so forth as I am simply cornering.
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Tank_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
has any body all ready read the book?

Yes, and it is good info, but ultimately it's all about how it's perceived by the individual rider.

I also have Keith Code.

Anyone that wants to borrow them are welcome!


Thanks for your input Court!

simply cornering

I have to disagree here.

After you have been to the track, several times, cornering may be simple for some. I have been a couple times, and while it is good times, I wouldn't call it simple.

When I bought my first "sports" type bike in 2004, it was a leftover 03' SL. It taught me to respect it, and showed me what it was capable of at the same time, on the less traveled roads near home.

I took a "race" class in 06', and I learned what I needed to know about myself and the bike the same day. Most don't have that luxury.
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Jlnance
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I have no interest, per se, in racing. Track days are fun but my big deal is to be the most skillful ... highway rider I can be.

I've read a few "how to ride a motorcycle" books and have a come to a couple of conclusions.

- Learning how to ride a motorcycle from a book is about the same as learning to play the piano from a book. It's all about practice. The book can tell you what to practice and is very useful in that sense. But with out deliberate practice, the book isn't going to make you a better rider.

- Lots of books have a race focus. Some of that stuff translates to street riding and some doesn't. Same for schools I would think.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I think I should start a STREET SURVIVAL SCHOOL. There is so much folks need to know about operating a motorcycle on the highways.

Mind you, I'm not claiming to be an expert. But I've sure picked up a few key pointers over the years and miles.

Keen track skills are no substitute for sharpened road riding skills.

I'll leave that in the arena of personal opinion since someone will surely want to argue about it, but I'll just say I have developed a set of rules (few of which would apply to the track) that I engage when traveling. They are quite similar to the ones I used to subscribe to when flying.

I must add this about Lee Parks. The first time I saw him ride a motorcycle was at the grand debut first ever BattleTrax (Thank you Mr. Kittrelle for changing the world of Buell in a positive way) event in Daytona Beach. Lee is a really nice guy who simply rides the wheels off a motorcycle.
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Jason13
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
Im so down to hit a real class as a group so we can make fun of each other and not have to worry about an ••••••• getting mad i think it would be good and safe for all of us im in
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I just wanted to be the 500th post under hooligan adventures
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S1wmike
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
It's all about you, isn't it
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Bishopjb1124
Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
HAHAHAHA I win, sorry I didn't call you back last night Mike, but I did not get home until around 800 then i ate dinner went to bed and back up at 0400 man this shit sucks.
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Tank_bueller
Posted on Friday, January 23, 2009 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
I think I should start a STREET SURVIVAL SCHOOL

I would attend 100%.

Not trying to argue at all.
After my first track day, it took me a while to ride street again. It wasn't safe to apply what I learned on the street.
I had to learn to ride street all over again. Safely, and more aware of everything, everywhere.
It made me a much better motorcyclist overall, and a better driver.

There is no substitute for awareness.
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Alchemy
Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)
The Street Survival School is a good idea. I think that is what states like Pennsylvania are trying to do with their advanced riding school but it could still be much more.

There could be a book but I would think the challenge is how to make knowledge into habit. How to have the right habits that deliver the best survival possibilities. A practical school would have to focus on methods and drills that bring those survival techniques to the point of habitual behavior. Then the big survival strides have been delivered into everyday activity.

Aviation has moved along this path and would seem a good model.
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