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Ducxl
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 05:18 pm: | 
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I'll BE there before they open at 9a.I don't know,i don't think you'd like to sit there for hours with me watching.But i'd swing by if you did.No pressure.Do breakfast in Newmarket? Early? Time to consider anything you wish |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 05:51 pm: |
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I am taking the battery to pep boys to get it load tested. I contacted Rotax to see if they can tell me what the bike puts out in amps at 4000 rpms, Buell would not tell me and think they do not know, I have trouble codes and they do not know them either, I new there would be little things popping up and have to get worked out so I am not bitchen but just want to know how many watts does the bike put out at 4000 rpm and they list it at 32 amps, 435 watts, at 7000 rpms like someone is going to be cruising at that rpm, 4300 rpms at 70 mph and that feel right. Mike |
Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 06:40 pm: |
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Hook up a meter and rev it to 4 grand, That will tell you what you are pushing. Hook up all your gear and do it again. That will tell you what your gear eats up. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:02 pm: |
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Eric I had the shop do that and they said it was ok as far as putting out voltage, with and without my gear and said it was good to go but got home and the battery was low, so that tells me that they do not know how to test it, and read online that most people and techs do not know how to test electrical systems. I have done everything and now I got to buy my own amp watt meter to hook up and ride it with my gear on but I have a feeling its my battery, I will get it figure it out eventually. thanks |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 07:07 pm: |
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Hey guys I am glad the south and the north finally got together, and now I am in the middle. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 11:54 pm: |
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Mike...... go to American Sport Bike and look at the volt gauge that Al has. I have it and it works well. It isn't an analog gauge but you can see if you system is charging or not. Get it from Al, find the same on EGay or locally. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:14 am: |
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Thanks Damnut, I know what meter you are talking about but it reads volts and I need to know amps. The bike has a built in volt meter so I know it is charging, I also had it tested at the Dealership, but they did not really know how to test for amps, and they do not have a workshop manual for the bike either and could only tell me the bike was charging. I need to bring the battery to pep boys and have it tested, if it is bad then this is probably my problem, if it test good then I need to buy a amp meter to tell me the amps the charging system is putting out at different rpms, I then can figure out the watts at the rpms I cruise at, and then will know how much heated gear I can run with out running down the battery. I am hoping it is the battery that is the problem and not just a weak charging system, I also can run my gear off the accessory outlet and that will shut of if the battery gets low, the heated grips plug into this and then there is another plug coming off of the heated grips, so it will shut off everything I hook up to the accessory outlet when the battery gets low. I think by the time I get all this figured out it will be spring and will not need heated gear. So thanks for the help guys. Mike |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:22 am: |
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If the volts while riding never fall below 14 or so and you have a weak battery when you get home then it is either a bad battery or connections/wiring that are not bring the voltage to the battery.
If the voltage drops off while riding then your charging system is not putting out enough amps for the load you have on it. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:36 am: |
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Hey guys, I just got off the phone with a battery tech person and got a confirmation that if the voltage regulator goes bad it can damage the battery, someone sent me a post telling me this can happen, so now I know he was right. I also found out that I need a better battery with a higher amp hour rating to heat my gear, the heated gear runs off the battery not the charging system, and the higher amp hour rating the better it will heat my gear. I now will take out the battery and have it tested to make sure it is good or bad, and see how big of battery I can fit into the bike. Mike |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:40 am: |
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a bigger battery will lengthen the time needed to drain, but will not increase the amps available for your gear. In other words the batter will still drain if your charging system cannot keep up with the amp draw. |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:44 am: |
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Excellent deduction there Scott.But right now too bad for Mike.Don't they offer big stators for the big Harley baggers? That's what Mike may need,to fabricate a bigger output stator.
(Message edited by Ducxl on January 23, 2008) |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:58 am: |
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Hey guys I am willing to bet the battery is bad for a number of reasons, and your right Scott if the battery is good, but I am 99% sure the the battery is bad, three guys have told me that when a voltage regulator goes bad it can hurt the battery, I had a bad voltage regulator to start with. I brought the bike to the shop and hooked up all my heated gear to the bike and they took there testing stuff and said I was good to go, but when I got home the battery was low, I rode all hyway except for the mile it took off the hyway to get to the dealership and the one mile it took to get to my house, and the trip was 120 miles at 4300 rpms, that is just one thing that is telling me it is the battery and I suspect a couple of other things that I tested, plus I got a voltage trouble code and done few test of my own. I am off the the garage and taking the battery out and bringing it to pep boys, and will let you guys know what I find out. Mike |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:19 pm: |
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WOW that was fun my inner ear tumor is acting up and my head is spinning from looking down to get the battery out. Mike |
Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:28 pm: |
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 .....look up! |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:32 pm: |
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The bike has a warrantee doesn't it? You merely need,drop it off at the dealer with a dead battery.Force it dead even to prove it.Fraudulently if need be but,don't go and buy a new battery for a NEW bike |
Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:56 pm: |
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you know that deal Greg...Drop it off and pick it up next month... With a bunch of New Scratches (free of charge) and more than likely return bike a second time as they messed it up the first...OOppps Wrong Battery!!!! |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:58 pm: |
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I'm well aware of that BUT,it's only a month old.I'd be on  if my NEW bike's battery kept going  . |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:44 pm: |
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Greg, breakfast in Newmarket would be great, whatever time you come through works for me.... |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:50 pm: |
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If the battery tests bad, and I agree that it is probably the battery, get it in writing if you can. Buy a new battery and hope the dealer will give you store credit for the battery amount next time you need or want to go up there.
I agree with you Greg, but Eric is also right and Mike will spend as much going up there in gas as a battery will cost (especially if it requires 2 trips).
the path of least aggravation leads thru the local parts store.....
I am glad I am to poor to buy new! I'd rather pay less and do the servicing myself..... |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:25 pm: |
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I agree with all you guys and bought test equipment to do my own testing so I know it is right, I just got home and going back out to find a amp gauge and the trip up and back cost me close to 30 dollars in gas and tolls so maybe just buying a battery from an aftermarket store would be better and get a better battery to. All I need is to figure out how many amps or watts are being generated at 4000 rpm, you would think they would rate the charging system at cruising rpm and do not think that a bike with 10500 rpm red line should be cruising at 7000 rpm, 4000 to maybe five feels good, if I was cornering I would be at 7000 rpm so I could shoot out of the corner or slow down with engine breaking, but cruising at 7000 rpm is crazy. I got to go out again now. Mike |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:43 pm: |
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I got everything I need to do my own tests, the hardest part was tracking down a amp meter. will continue with the testing tomorrow Mike |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hey guys check this xb out www.motorcyclespect.co.za/model/lazareth/lazareth_ supercharged_buell_xb12.htm , also a guy broke two stoppie records one on a firebolt one with a guy hanging on the front starting at over 120 mph, I do not know who has the bigger stones the guy riding or the guy hanging on the front? and you can find it on the link above and is 305 meters with the guy hanging on, and alone on the same bike was 266 and spelled it metres but must be meters |
Jpb
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 09:26 am: |
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Hey Scott - you're the cleaning gurru around here...any suggestions for cleaning the heads up a bit when I rotate the engine down? They are a bit spotty and greenish looking (you know...weathered aluminum look).
What cleaning products do you use on the rest of the bike? |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 01:08 pm: |
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A lot of guys claim this or that polish to be the only one to get. I haven't found that to be the case, but am currently happy with Blue Corral metal polish.
My secret ingredient is elbow grease! If it is aluminum, shiny and on my bike it means that I sanded it down from 400 to 2000 or even 2500 grit.
For what you want, some metal polish alone, but done right, will work fine. Here is THE BIG SECRET, don't apply it with paper towel or a rag. Put it on with your finger and spread it around until the area you want to clean/polish is evenly coated (it could be the whole part if it is small or an area of a larger part).
Continue until the paste liquefies and turns black all over. Then use paper towel to buff.
Fold the paper towel and use the same spot long after the paper towel is black and rub the polish right into the metal. Only use a clean towel for the final buffing or when the black spot you were using is worn out.
PS - this is for surfaces that were at least somewhat shiny when new. For textured or matte areas I use mild, environmentally friendly cleaners (citrus cleaners or the like) and a med. stiff brush. Be sure to test the area 1st for any chemical reactions or staining.
(Message edited by scott_in_nh on February 01, 2008) |
Jpb
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:32 pm: |
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Thanks for the input Scott - greatly appreciated. |
Firebolteric_ma
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 04:12 pm: |
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ever tried MAAS? Pretty good stuff. |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 04:25 pm: |
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you asking me? No I am not familiar with MAAS.
I'd be happy to try some when I next need to purchase a metal polish. I haven't found the holy grail yet, but I do buy a different brand of polish every time I need some just in case it is out there! |
Ducxl
| | Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 10:50 am: |
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I use Mother's aluminum polish.The paste,or more preferably,their impregnated wadding.The "Never Dull" wadding is ok too.But Mother's works best/w elbow.Especially on my PMs' |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 11:04 am: |
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They all work, but I have found the Blue Corral to be better than Mothers on the the PM's.
It has a strong bleach like smell and cleans the rim more easily and leaves a darker chrome like shine.
No magic, still takes work!
But like I said originally, I don't have any brand loyalty here and will continue to test other brands.... |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 12:56 am: |
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I used MAAS and a buffer wheel on a drill to polish the cases on my KZ440. About 10 years later the cases are still shiny. |
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