| Author | Message | ||
     Blublak |
Once again, I'm not so sure about PTT. If it was TPM (Team Pro-Motion) then I could tell you yes since they have their support system at every date (Small version of the store, tire changes at the track, parts delivery, etc.) I just looked at PTT's website and they say they have tire changing support at 'most' track dates. Not sure if that means they are going to have it with the Buell dates or not. I've heard some good stuff about the Lyndall Golds, but I've also heard they take a little more break in and working before they are straight, so make sure you work them in right before you trust your life to them. I'm still running stock pads, go figure.. I probably should upgrade, but now.. I'm thinking I need to save my money.. I may be in the market for something.. uh.. water cooled.. Hmmmm? | ||
| Babired |
Mattl, I'm going with the tires I have on my XB9SX, and the stock brake pads, after track day I'll get them swapped out for new. I'm with Peter on taking it easy until Track day on the tires, and have been riding the X1 more. The tires are about 80% new, HD tech said Brake pads are okay for the track day. Your post about cornering... I'm taking total control tomorrow I know its $300.00 but they teach you all of what you inquired about for cornering. There is one spot left in tomorrow's class come out and join us then put what you learn on the track. K | ||
| Tank_bueller |
I'm using stock pads too. They seem to do fine, though they do wear a bit faster on the track  | ||
| Blublak |
Ok, I heard back from PTT.. They do NOT run a beacon for lap timers at their events. Does anyone here have one they can loan me (and the rest of us with timers?) If it helps, I've got an Ultra-Lap XT reciever/timer, is there anyone out there with a beacon (or two) we could set up for the silly "How many minutes did it take you?" Thing. Oddly enough, the person that wrote me back stated he has the same unit that I have and they still don't put out a beacon. Ok, that's the latest on timing for VIR.. | ||
| Mattl |
Thanks the update Blublak. BTW, what is a beacon or receiver/timer? I've only used transponder systems whereas they hand out these little dealies you pin low on your car and when you cross certain sections of the track it detects your transponder. Used them alot back in the days of R/C racing and at some local oval tracks. Guess it wouldn't work too well for club type events since the wiring loops were built into the track and probably not exactly compatible with everyone's timing systems? Guess I'll just have to get a 1125r so I can have the built-in lap timer.  | ||
| Mattl |
BTW, I have two piece riding gear that only zips together in the back. It has the cheesy CE armor stuff throughout, but that's it. I sent an email to PTT but never got a response whether or not that would pass tech for the Intermediate class. Any input on that? And you mentioned Back Protectors. I assume that is more than just the CE back armor pad thingy that velcros inside my jacket? | ||
| Tank_bueller |
I am mucho advanced in many areas, but lap timers is not one of my talents, and neither is track prowess. For your first track-day, Matt, I wouldn't worry about it. You will get "smoked" in the intermediate class, and will likely get "passed with courtesy" in the beginner class. There, I said it. Take it easy, dude. You only live once. Ride behind others until you get more comfortable, and learn the preferred lines around the track. I will not be going "fast" around the track, but every lap I run will be a learning experience. If you paid for time on the track.... Learn something. Tank | ||
| Tank_bueller |
As for the "back zipper"... Not gonna fly in intermediate. I use a full zipper, two piece, because nobody makes anything to fit a short legged, long waisted.... The more I read-up, the more I think maybe I should be in "intermediate", but I signed up for beginner because I'm not smooth enough. Tank | ||
| Blublak |
Matt.. Ok, let's see.. In order.. On motorcycles there are two ways to time the machine; 1)Transponder System 2)Lap Timer System. 1) The transponder system is a very high dollar bit of kit. It uses a transmitter that is attached to the vehicle (as you used in the cars you mentioned) and it sends a coded pulse that a receiving antenna embedded in the track surface (usually at Start/Finish) picks up and the data is then fed into a computer that determines time, position (relevant to others in the same event), number of laps, average speed and sets the whole thing up to be printed, faxed, emailed etc. The last time I looked at transponders, the little box (that would go on your bike) costs between $150 - $300. The computer software that goes with it on the other hand usually only runs about $800 or so, no including licensing and then track fees for powering up and jacking into their on site set up. In addition, as mentioned, there must be a compatible system in place at the venue. Usually Transponders are handed out to racers when they register and then returned at the end of the event. I don't think a lot of racers bother trying to own their own. 2) The basic lap timer (used by most racers) and a lot of SCCA types consists of a 'Beacon' that sends out an infrared pulse (there are usually a couple of pulse setting on these units). This pulse is aimed across the track creating a 'line' if you will. The other part is a receiver/timer that mounts to your vehicle. As you pass the beacon the pulse trips the timer and it starts counting, my basic unit counts time to the 100th, number of laps and a few other things (like temp, best and worst lap times etc.) The timer is usually mounted where you can see it, so at a glance (mine stays on for 5 seconds after I pass the beacon) I can see what my lap time was. Since it stays with me, when I return to the pits, I can review my session(s) at will and see if changes I made helped or hurt. The receiver timer costs about $160 or so and is pretty reliable and built to take a beating if need be. If there is a beacon there, you only need to have a receiver/timer and your good to go. If you spend a bit more (closer to $300 I think) and get the beacon as well, then you can set it up anywhere you want to time/count laps etc since it runs on batteries (usually) and doesn't require all the construction associated with a transponder system. Lastly, if you have multiple beacons, you can do segment timing by simply putting out a couple of beacons at various points on the track. My Timer will detect the varied pulses and break the lap into timed sections as well. The two piece suit would be fine, but you really should have a 360* zip on it. There should have been on included when you got the parts (both jacket and pants usually come with the full circumference as well) and it shouldn't be that bad getting it sowed in, I added a Joe Rocket Zipper to my Fieldsheer jacket and it works just fine. (different zipper sizes) so if I were you, I'd check with a local seamstress about adding the full zipper to your gear. Most track groups prefer full zip. The back protector is a separate (usually) bit of armor for spinal protection and is worth the cost and hassle. There are a couple of them that are made to be inserted into leathers (usually from the same company of course) but for the most part, you'd wear it under your jacket (most have a shoulder and waist type straps for this purpose). From PTT's web site - Intermediate & Advanced riders - gear requirements: One or two-piece leathers. Back Protector highly recommended Reinforced synthetic riding suits acceptable only if competion approved Full-face coverage helmet Over-ankle Riding Boots Full-fingered gloves Tank.. As far as smooth goes.. I'm probably not that much smoother then a lot of folks.. I'm probably a lot slower then a lot of folks as well. Since I've been riding track days.. I don't care what you're riding, someone is faster, smoother, more out there then you are. I've been passed by folks on SV's like I was standing still.. I've passed (and made it stick) ZX-10's, GSXR's etc. before. In the end, it'll be the riders ability to know and plan as they progress around the track. What I always tell folks is to first relax, slow down (slow is relative to the rider) and enjoy yourself.. You'll learn more, faster then if you try and cram it all in and ride above your skills. I find that true progress in incremental, sometimes your not even aware of it until something (like a lap timer) shows you how well you are actually doing. Example; last year (about mid year) I was timed at Summit Main running consistent 1:45's. That works out to an average of something like 70 miles an hour ( I think). Last month, same track, I looked down and was turning a 1:37 or 77 miles an hour average for the whole track. In the greater scheme of things, is that a huge increase? No, until you realize that it's done through 10 turns and traffic.. Then it's better.. On the other hand, the racers are running 1:20's (94 mph) and that is moving... You'll do fine.. People will pass you.. you may pass a few yourself. Just remember, we're not racing, we're out there for fun and to learn, while having fun. Those that forget these little facts are doomed to never enjoy a track day. | ||
| Buell2001b |
Hi Blublack, I just signed up for VIR. I guess someone might have canceled so the website let me purchase it. anyways can you give me a call some time between 5pm and 10 pm. 571-277-2333 maybe I can come with your group. thanks Bill | ||
| Spike |
Hey guys, I'm one of the C3'ers from the NC section, but Mattl pointed me to this thread so I thought I'd chime in. I'm in for the 9/12 event at VIR. This will be my 3rd event after running VIR South back in '05 and running VIR North earlier this month. I noticed some discussion of brake pads earlier in the thread, for what it's worth I ran into some brake fade at VIR South while running LRB Gold pads, even with fresh fluid. I ran EBC HH+ pads (GFA345HH) with Motul RBF600 at VIR North earlier this month and had no fade issues at all. | ||
| Mattl |
Spike, Where did you get those EBC pads? I'm having a bear of a time finding anyone to carry anything local. And what kind of fluid you all use? I'm still on original pads and fluid, so gotta' get all that up done soon. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I've got three sets of the GFA345HH EBC's in stock if you can't find 'em. They're about $30 a set. They aren't on the web, but if you order the regular EBCs and specify the GFA's in the order comments, I'll know what to do. Al | ||
| Spike |
I got mine from the Nesba vendor, but if Al has them for ~$30 I'd suggest ordering from him at americansportbike.com. As for the fluid, I'm still running Motul RBF600 from when I changed it before the last track event. We have at least one motorcycle dealer that carries it locally, but you can also find it in high-performance automotive stores. On the other hand, any decent dot 4 is going to be fine, as long as it's fresh from a sealed container and the brakes are properly bled. I'd prefer to run fresh brand-X fluid rather than 2-year old Motul or Super Blue. You can probably even pick up Valvoline or something similar from wal-mart. | ||
| Blublak |
Ok.. latest news from Buell says.. The Demos at the Inside Pass WILL HAVE 1125R's available.. We'll of course find out if that's true soon enough.. Yep, I'm still doin' laps in my head and gettin' all worked up to be out there with a ton 'o Buells for a change.. (usually I'm the only one at most track events and kind of gives me a complex.. ) hehehehehehehe.. "Yeah, I've got an attitude problem.. what's it too ya!" Can't wait to see all you folks out there! | ||
| Rasmonis |
When's everyone heading out? | ||
| Tank_bueller |
I reeeaaallly want to spin-up an R at VIR. Blublak, if it's OK with you, I plan to show mid-morning on Monday, and help you out, if they will let me in. Tues...who knows?? Wed= good times in the pits, and good times on the track. Thurs, I'm heading for Roanoke, to meet friends. Sat. I'm headed home. | ||
| Blublak |
Ramon, Since I'm riding on Monday as well as Wednesday I'll be leaving (probably) late morning Sunday. Then heading back up on Wednesday night. Tank, Sure... When you get to the gate, just let 'em know you're there for Team Pro-Motion and they should let you in no problems. I'll be looking for ya (wow a pit crew.. dang!) Actually Frank, it's also a pretty good time to go out and take a look at the track as it's being run. Then come into the pits and hang out at my .. uh.. non-existent pits (Ok, so it's an Explorer with an open trailer attached to it.. IF the old EZ-up works.. even better.. I'll see ya then! | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Great Idea about watching riders on track. I likely won't roll-in until about 11am or so. Black Jeep Cherokee w/small maroon v-nose trailer. See ya' there! | ||
| Blublak |
Coolness... As far as Tuesday goes.. Uh.. I'll probably be letting my leathers air out a little.. Don't think I'll do any riding since I'll have a couple of track days on my tires by then and don't want to risk additional wear.. Unless I order up a new set and can get them mounted in time.. Hmmmmm.. Don't know if I'll be able to afford it (along with everything else I'm trying to get done on my tiny budget..) Maybe, we'll just hang out Tuesday and relax a little before Wednesday and we start to really 'Get down!.. Get back up again.. get back down.. get back up.. '.. | ||
| Spops |
Gravel did me in! I'm nursing a broken R hand.. Won't be healthy enough for track day =( So, if anyone is interested in an "Intermediate" ticket for VIR, please let me know... Thanks! Ride SAFE! but, please RIDE! =) | ||
| Babired |
Spops, that's a bummer, tell me, I might consider going to the intermediate class, I've only been on the track one time with the Kevin Schwantz school, I feel confident in the cornering and going as fast as a can on the long straight ways, but don't want to hold my other Buell riding buddies up. K | ||
| Tank_bueller |
Spops, That does pretty much suck. Glad you're OK, though. Question.... Am I the only one weirded out about the recently added "owner spots" for the demo/track day?? Even though some of us were very early to sign up way back when, I feel like we may be getting shuffled down "the list" to accommodate those who are now signing up as "owners". Am I being paranoid??  I would like a crack at the 1125, and if(under normal circumstances) I didn't sign up in time or whatever, I wouldn't be upset. But it might bother me if those that got on board first, got bumped for something like this. Just seems a bit shady at the moment.  | ||
| Babired |
Tank, what do you mean, we have to sign up to ride the new 1125R? I was wondering how they are going to work this because I would like at least one shot to ride it on the track, another bummer if the demo bike is filled up for the day. K | ||
| Tank_bueller |
That's sort of the question. Usually riders would sign up for the bike(s) they want to demo first thing in the morning at the track. I'm just wondering if these "special owner spots" are getting first pick. The more I think about it, the less I believe they would actually do that. Like I said above, maybe I'm just being paranoid??? | ||
| Blublak |
I've been looking at the website.. and I don't see anything that let's you sign up for 'special' demo rides or what not.. But since I also signed up very early (when they first announced) I'd hate to think that I DON'T get a demo on the 1125.. That would really suck! I think the 'Owners' part is additional spots opened up for Buell Owners only.. since the original dates were open to any rider that wanted to participate. Dang.. Is it September yet? I haven't had a track ride in over a month and it's giving me a complex.. damn riding addiction.  | ||
| Rasmonis |
Pete, I have Tues through Thurs off (it was all I could afford to take), so I'd like to head out early Tues morning if possible (catch 'ya there Pete). Hey, saw Ur bike in the chop while turning mine in for a new Voltage reg. K: I'm debating on van vs. truck. Van would make loading/unloading easier. | ||
| Babired |
Ras, that's cool let me know when to show up on Tuesday morning. I haven't made any overnight reservations yet please let me know if you want to hook up at the same motel and I'll try and book 2 rooms for us. I would rather save my vacation and head back the same night too. K | ||
| Rasmonis |
K, That's fine with me. Stop by Tuesday morning anytime after 7 am. | ||
| Blublak |
Ras, Coolness on Tuesday.. When you get to Danville.. Call my cell and we'll see about hooking up since we'll already be there. Maybe we can set up a little dinner thing the night before? Remember it's about 4.5 hours down there and you dont' want to drive to VIR your first time in the dark.. That road that leads up to the track entrance is.. to say the least.. tricky.. (the swing through NC has some blind twists and usually loose gravel on it).. So you may want to 'see' the road before you try to negotiate it in the early AM (especially if you're on your way to the track prior to sunrise). |
